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mikecLA
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:36 am    Post subject: Silmar 41 @ $22.50 / Gallon Reply with quote

I'm starting to seriously ramp up production, and being on the West Coast, illstcomposites, uscomposites, (Florida suppliers) were starting to get expensive with shipping, hazmet, etc... plust taking a while to get here.

Went to nacomposites.com, was assigned a sales rep for my area, ordered, and drove an hour to Ontario California to pick up 20 gallons (they would have delivered it for $40).

NA sells the stuff in 55 Gallon Drums by the pound, but a drum weighs over 400 lbs, requires a spigot, structure to lay on horizontally, and probably a forklift. They poured 5 Gallon pails (and let me order by the pail), much more manageable.

Anyway, 20 gallons cost $450. MEKP was was another $25 a gallon.

Not Bad!

Check out the locations on their site, if you have a warehouse close by and use a lot of this stuff, it's well worth not only the savings, but the speed of being able to get it right away.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't order drums unless you are using tons of resin quickly. This stuff has only a 3 month shelf life. You can wind up stuck with a huge amount of resin that is unuseable.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Use 55 Gallon Drums At Home For As Little As $41.95 Reply with quote

Go, Mike!

Here's a site that I think you might like: globalindustrial.com.

55 Gallon Drum Management With No Fork Lift:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-p umps/cast-iron-rotary-pump-oil-petroleum-products

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-w rench-deheader/drum-plug-wrench-1

Bonus!
http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-d ollies/drum-dolly-55-gallon-drum-2

Another Approach:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-h andling/dispensing-drum-truck-with-four-wheels-30-55-gallon-drums-2?ut m_source=shopping&utm_medium=shp&utm_campaign=Trucks-Cradles-shop&info Param.campaignId=WP

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-g ates/polyethylene-drum-faucet-3-4


Cutter, in Europe, may have drum management tips for you. He bought a big one recently: http://www.warriormatrix.com/viewtopic.php?p=54633&highlight=drum#5463 3

Are you buying your shavings in large quantities? Best minimum I have found is 1 metric ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/248064920/aluminum_metal_shavings.ht ml
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Use 55 Gallon Drums At Home For As Little As $41.95 Reply with quote

Thanks!

I've got to get a drum dolly and rotary pump. Being able to crank out 8oz per revolution out of a 55 gallon drum seems a heck of a lot easier than pouring out of a 5 gallon, or even 1 gallon pail. Right now, I'm filling a 1 gallon pail with a spout from the 5 gallon pails to make it easier.

It shouldn't be too long before I need a drum anyway. Heck, I could make the stuff available to anyone pouring in the LA area, just bring your old gallon containers.

freeunderthevioletsky wrote:
Go, Mike!

Here's a site that I think you might like: globalindustrial.com.

55 Gallon Drum Management With No Fork Lift:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-p umps/cast-iron-rotary-pump-oil-petroleum-products

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-w rench-deheader/drum-plug-wrench-1

Bonus!
http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-d ollies/drum-dolly-55-gallon-drum-2

Another Approach:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-h andling/dispensing-drum-truck-with-four-wheels-30-55-gallon-drums-2?ut m_source=shopping&utm_medium=shp&utm_campaign=Trucks-Cradles-shop&info Param.campaignId=WP

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-g ates/polyethylene-drum-faucet-3-4


Cutter, in Europe, may have drum management tips for you. He bought a big one recently: http://www.warriormatrix.com/viewtopic.php?p=54633&highlight=drum#5463 3

Are you buying your shavings in large quantities? Best minimum I have found is 1 metric ton:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/248064920/aluminum_metal_shavings.ht ml
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bloxygen.com/

Indispensible for handling large quantities of any resin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am about out of resin and ready to order a 55 Gallon drum.

Does anyone know for sure that the pump in the link above ( http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-p umps/cast-iron-rotary-pump-oil-petroleum-products ) works with resin? Gasoline and liquids are not nearly as thick, and I want to make absolutely sure I have a way to get the resin out of the drum before ordering.

I plan on getting the drum dolly and having it loaded right on to it upon delivery, but if the pump won't work, then I have to do a cart & spigot configuration instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tried it. I would call the 800 number and ask their customer service. There is another kind of 55 gallon drum pump made of plastic, that they sell, but I don't think it is for resin. The link I posted seemed the most likely one for the resin.

I knew a guy who used it for his 55 gallon drum of suntan lotion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mcmaster.com/#drum-dispensing-pumps/=l5hucx

Mcmaster Carr is usually very informative about what their products can do and handle
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't seem to find the viscosity of the resin on the MSDS. According to this chart: http://pumplocker.com/images/lit/WEI1/FLUX-HIGH-VISCOSITY-B0000-VISC-C HART-1.PDF the viscosity of polyester resin is 3,000 cP.

On the McMaster-Carr page, the plastic pump (A) has a maximum viscosity of 2500 cP (similar to shampoo). The heavy duty metal drum pumps top out at 250, the rotary plastic pumps go to 704 (similar to liquid detergent) or 1000 (similar to castor oil), metal rotary is lower.

Something seems off -- The viscosity chart shows castor oil at 1,000, which matches the McMaster-Carr page. It shows shampoo at 3,000, MC lists it at 2500 (of course this will vary across brands). But Mayonnaise is 2,000? It seems my resin flows a bit more smoothly than mayo (which is almost solid).

Still looking for something that will work before I order a drum.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/1255122-post7.html
says Silmar 41 = 470 cP

I posted a question at Global Industrial asking the viscosity rating of the cast iron pump. It could take a while to show up.

emlong, that is a great site.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freeunderthevioletsky wrote:
This guy:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/1255122-post7.html
says Silmar 41 = 470 cP

I posted a question at Global Industrial asking the viscosity rating of the cast iron pump. It could take a while to show up. emlong, that is a great site for pumps!


If Global's is similar to MC, it should be around 880 cp. http://www.mcmaster.com/#drum-dispensing-pumps/=l61odu

470 cp makes a lot more sense than 3,000. That would put it near the viscosity of 40W motor oil and would work with most of these pumps.

Tomorrow, I'll bring some laundry detergent, motor oil, and shampoo to my pouring station and do an eyeball viscosity check against un-mixed resin.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikecLA check your PMs again.

mikecLA, can you post a photo of your pouring station? I am struggling with fume management.

emlong had a great fume hood/vapor box exhaust thing he designed. I pour outside with the big mask:

http://www.amazon.com/3M-7162-Full-Facepiece-Spray-Respirator/dp/B0002 STR86/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=K5IUY4TGJK78&coliid=I2DJ9J ZRRG12VW

but I still have fume issues. I find the sun sets me up too fast in the open air, but the covered patio seems to trap more fumes. And a breeze blows the resin stream all around as I pour it. Sssssssss.

Update:
Here is Global Industrial's reply:

Quote:
This would work with ranges below 30 weight. For polyester resin this would not be recommended.


They are supposed to get back to me with an alternative.

Update:
They can special order a pump for you for polyester resin, at a cost of $52.00 if you contact Jackie Battle.
Jackie Battle
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Direct: 678-969-6863
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Fax: 800-336-3818
EMAIL: jbattle@globalindustrial.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My temporary station is setup like this:

I have a section of my office that is closed off and has balcony doors. I simply open the doors and have a large high velocity drum fan sucking everything out and blowing it out the door. For the workstation, I bought 72" high industrial shelving from home depot. Instead of assembling to the full height, I assembled 2 36" sections with a top, middle, and bottom shelf.

Since I need more space for primary business, I just rented a warehouse in an industrial part of California. It's zoned M2, which basically means you can do whatever you want. Once I move the operation over there next week, I'll either take the drum fan and do the same thing, or install an exhaust fan ducted out to the roof. I'll take photos once it's set up.

On the pumps, I found a few on McMaster-Carr's site that will go up to 4000 cP:

Check out H on this page: http://www.mcmaster.com/#drum-dispensing-pumps/=l6jr92

Still looking at a few others.

freeunderthevioletsky wrote:
mikecLA check your PMs again.

mikecLA, can you post a photo of your pouring station? I am struggling with fume management.

emlong had a great fume hood/vapor box exhaust thing he designed. I pour outside with the big mask:

http://www.amazon.com/3M-7162-Full-Facepiece-Spray-Respirator/dp/B0002 STR86/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=K5IUY4TGJK78&coliid=I2DJ9J ZRRG12VW

but I still have fume issues. I find the sun sets me up too fast in the open air, but the covered patio seems to trap more fumes. And a breeze blows the resin stream all around as I pour it. Sssssssss.

Update:
Here is Global Industrial's reply:

Quote:
This would work with ranges below 30 weight. For polyester resin this would not be recommended.


They are supposed to get back to me with an alternative.

Update:
They can special order a pump for you for polyester resin, at a cost of $52.00 if you contact Jackie Battle.
Jackie Battle
Inbound Sales
Direct: 678-969-6863
Main: 800-645-1232 EX. 2863
Fax: 800-336-3818
EMAIL: jbattle@globalindustrial.com
www.globalindustrial.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link didn't go to the right page. The pump is item 8246K15
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the workstation description.

Mcmaster-Carr carries pretty much everything, but their catalog is not easy for me to decipher. I am never sure how to find stuff there. For pumps, they sure have a big selection. Let us know what pump you go with, and how it works!
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