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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Banal information Reply with quote

This is a little off subject, however, has any one else noticed how boring and uninformative the information is when meduims are supposedly talking to the dead. Example, Hey so and so remember this funny event, I died from this..., I am at peace now go on with your life.. They never talk about what is going on on the "other side"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: stuart wilde Reply with quote

Stuart Wilde talks about this in one of his books, He would talk to the "spirits of the dead" but after awhile he quit, because he said the spirits seemed so stupid he couldn't put up with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free will. Our loved ones wouldn't be showing us love if they were giving us all the secrets/answers and ruining our game. I'm sure when most people have a specific loved one they contact, it's more of a projection of the image they had of the person while they were living, and not the "eternal" image. There's a lot of emotion involved in situations like that usually, I think it'd be rude if a grandparent was like "No need to cry, we're all eternal and infinite, get over it!" Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am usually a bit hesitant to share personal things like this but it might be helpful and I feel like I should.. I have some memories of before I arrived on earth and my journey here. What I remember was a dark light less tunnel brought me here. There was no light at the end, some entered at the beginning but it was immediately sucked into the blackness. That thing used to give me nightmares as a child. Feeling the life sucked out of me and entering this low density is a feeling I will never forget. When I emerged I could see earth for what it really was, the illusion had not yet taken hold of me. I feel that this is what the while light tunnel really is, the light is only an illusion.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liberta wrote:
I am usually a bit hesitant to share personal things like this but it might be helpful and I feel like I should.. I have some memories of before I arrived on earth and my journey here. What I remember was a dark light less tunnel brought me here. There was no light at the end, some entered at the beginning but it was immediately sucked into the blackness. That thing used to give me nightmares as a child. Feeling the life sucked out of me and entering this low density is a feeling I will never forget. When I emerged I could see earth for what it really was, the illusion had not yet taken hold of me. I feel that this is what the while light tunnel really is, the light is only an illusion.


When you say what 'the earth really was' -- do you mean like a prison or trap? Or like a hologram or matrix? Very interesting! I don't have memories back that far -- mine start from when I was 2 years old. Fascinating and thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if there are words to explain how it appeared. The closest I can come is that it felt like a prison but the walls were 'something else'. Whatever it was that enclosed the planet felt very negative.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:58 pm    Post subject: Sounds like David Icke Reply with quote

Your description sounds exactly like David Icke's. A prison planet. Stuart Wilde said we get sent here as a kind of penance or punishment.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Earth is more of a school for 'advanced' students. The goal of all of us incarnating spirits is to help people out because earth is going through such a rough time, and probably some spirits interested in the end of the cycle. The advanced part is that we have to figure out all spiritual knowledge by ourselves.

If you view earth as a prison then you focus on all your negative experiences and guilt-trip yourself into thinking you did something bad to belong here, which I do not believe is the case at all.

I believe the universe is non-judgmental when it comes to good/bad and is much more interested in learning and growing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure, there is a lot of darkness here at the moment. If you could view Earth from space and feel it, apart from the wonder at how beautiful it is there would be a general feeling of distress and pain. If someone lives a life where they act in an unevolved way, I think it is a good thing that they can be given the chance to start with a clean slate as far as memories go. It's not always helpful to remember who we were in the past, especially if we have been evil or had evil done to us. It can make us despair, bitter or angry. I think temporary memory wipes are merciful. For instance, who needs to remember they did evil things in a past life. Not many people would wish to know they were Vlad the Impaler, or Josef Mengele. So a spirit goes back without access to these things until they are ready, and can have a life where they are able to learn lessons which can help them restore the balance and put back something good. Earth is technically a prison planet ruled by evil entities, working through the Cabals in power, but it also has the potential to be a paradise. There are so many people coming to Earth to make this happen at present that the Cabals don't stand a chance in Hell in keeping the reigns of power. They will probably end up doing some 'terra'forming on Mars lol. What do you do with a bunch of sociopathic criminals who have gathered a lot of karmic debt except to quarantine them on a planet until they have learned to behave peacefully and in an evolved manner, and in an environment which could be a paradise or a hell of their own choosing, along with as many others who are willing to volunteer to show them how life could be? In order to make it fair, the volunteers would probably agree to live under the same conditions and restrictions, to prove that it can be done and someone can live and grow and evolve despite all the apparent limitations. Just imo though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sylvia_dragon wrote:
If you view earth as a prison then you focus on all your negative experiences and guilt-trip yourself into thinking you did something bad to belong here, which I do not believe is the case at all.

I believe the universe is non-judgmental when it comes to good/bad and is much more interested in learning and growing.


I believe that is true from the perspective of higher spirit, which we all have including the 'bad guys'.
I think we all 'descended' into the creation in order to ascend with it back to spirit, pretty much just for something to do, and it's really all a bit of a game of hide and seek. I think there are truths of many levels, we have all been many people and played many parts which we can access memories of when we are perceiving in a way more in line with the essence of our being. At present, prisons do exist, and there are some beings doing some really bad things on many levels, but when all is done we all are family and return to where we came from before playing another universe game. I think fear of losing our memories is unnecessary because everything is recorded and from the perspective of higher spirit we are able to re-visit whatever we desire. Forgetting is just an illusion imo, whether we see it as enforced by malevolent aliens or otherwise. Another aspect to it all imo is that when people tinker with life in order to make sentient life forms they have a responsibility to see that they evolve to the point that they can become members of a wider universal community, which means incarnating into the species until that happens. So I believe that the difference between who is human and who is 'alien' (both being spirit anyway in essence) is just a matter of perspective. It depends on what we have chosen to do. I think that any 'humans' who have opted to 'skip' the memory wipes and form a Cabal of 'royal families' who incarnate over and over again into their own family bloodlines retaining the memory of past lives, are really doing themselves and the human species a disservice, as they are working against the plan to advance the human species to the point of membership with peaceful species in the universe. They are making the quarantine a living hell for those who are here to progress and evolve, and will be dealt with by the higher powers which have allowed them to have their power for the last several thousand years (at least). Their power is an illusion they have convinced themselves of and lived with for so long that they believe the lie, and when it is taken away that particular game will be over. I don't think there is anything to be so worried about, even for them. We are all family anyway. Again, just imo. One topic leads to other side topics and they all tend to link together.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Haggis in that I believe that our memories are "wiped" in a way when we are born is because when we're here our minds cannot cope with all this information at once. That if we knew why we were here all at once, we couldn't function as humans and do the very thing we came here to do! Which is to raise the vibe.

I had a psychic reading done for me a few months ago that I rally felt many things were true in. One of the things she told me is that on earth, There's very many "Young Souls", some "Mature Souls" and few "Old Souls". And that right now there's been more Old souls here than there ever has. And that I'm and Old soul and I'm sure many of you are all too. Young souls are more self-centered, probably the type of people who will blindly follow orders I'm sure, etc. Mature souls are the ones working on helping this world, like writers and engineers. And Old souls are the "ones pulling everyone forward", simply with what they're doing and the vibe they resonate at. They're not so involved in politics and whatever, but help the world by being here.

I mean I think that when we come into this existence we have to shed some of our immense consciousness to fit here but we have tethers and help to know where we need to be.


Kind of like scuba divers exploring the bottom of the ocean. Down here it's super dark, super dense, weird things seem to be floating around here, and we're swimming around and getting tips from the guys up above in the water. And bringing light and knowledge here. (Maybe that's a good metaphor)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sylvia_dragon wrote:
I believe Earth is more of a school for 'advanced' students. The goal of all of us incarnating spirits is to help people out because earth is going through such a rough time, and probably some spirits interested in the end of the cycle. The advanced part is that we have to figure out all spiritual knowledge by ourselves.

If you view earth as a prison then you focus on all your negative experiences and guilt-trip yourself into thinking you did something bad to belong here, which I do not believe is the case at all.

I believe the universe is non-judgmental when it comes to good/bad and is much more interested in learning and growing.


I don't think I was really clear about that, what I meant was that the majority of souls are trapped here in this lower density and are not offered a choice to get out (free will). If your free will is being subjugated, it may as well be considered a prison. I don't focus on the negative, rather the opposite. Just compared to where I came from, how could I not notice how much more negative it is here.

I don't think it did anything wrong to come here, I only came here to help like so many of my family of light at this time. I do remember I was involved in the events that led to the downfall of earth, but I know it wasn't my fault but because I was involved, I feel responsible for humanity, like a parent sort of.

HaggisYann wrote:
I think temporary memory wipes are merciful..


You are certainly right there, not only if you did terrible things in a past life, but also when your past incarnation was a loving peaceful existence without politics/religion and money.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thoughts you all have. I guess I am asking these questions because I don't want to advocate friends and family to go to the light if it turns out that the light will simply erase their memories and throw them back in another body, randomly... I feel so confused.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This subject has came up before,

I might have mentioned a mean guy that slaps your bottom after you get through... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding of ghosts is that they are souls that chose not to enter that light tunnel for whatever reason. Maybe they wanted to stay behind because of family, or afraid of judgment or... who knows?

I would really really hope there's nothing to the fear of that being a trap.
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