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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My understanding of ghosts is that they are souls that chose not to enter that light tunnel for whatever reason. Maybe they wanted to stay behind because of family, or afraid of judgment or... who knows?

I would really really hope there's nothing to the fear of that being a trap.

I thought there was nothing to fear too, but then I found out about this trap, and many people seem to support the theory. Not sure what to believe anymore.
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The Bible says that the most deceptive lies sound true.
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Long article on this subject.

Is Reincarnation a Trap?



Era Denmark, Contributor
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This article would be a book if we traced the origins of reincarnation theory back through every culture and epoch. Because of that and because of the inadequacy of language, we would do better to begin by considering incarnation and reincarnation by looking at the imagery and feeling that these words evoke.

The accepted use and definition of “incarnate” evokes images of something individual descending from one place, down into matter. This is spatial and temporal thinking unique to the human mind that most easily grasps 3rd dimensional realities of time and space. Most people will imagine incarnation as an individual unit of consciousness (that they call the “soul”) leaving it’s place and moving, like an orb of light, down to the earth sphere and then residing in and around the human body.

But what if there is another way of thinking about this?

Allow me to begin with two statements:

1. Just because a teaching is old, doesn’t make it true.

To highlight this, imagine that 10,000 years from now, a group of humans discovered the Georgia Guidestones during an excavation. Would you advise them to view this as ancient wisdom or truth given to mankind by sages? Or would you suggest instead that they consider the possibility that the stones were placed there by a billionaire with fascist leanings?

2. Anecdotal evidence and subjective experience are not proof of a thing.

This subject matter deserves to be handled both delicately and with assiduity. This involves the examination of both the origin of reincarnation theory (tracing backwards to the conditions of the epochs of which it arose) and its implications. That is, following the concept forward to its logical conclusions and implications. What does it imply about the nature of reality and the condition of the human-state?

Let’s try an exercise in allegory and imagination to view incarnation from another perspective.

In this exercise you are an observer, independent to the scene described:

Imagine that you are on a grassy knoll. There is no civilization around, only nature. The sky is clear and the sun is shining brightly. You are facing north, the sun is southwest, behind you, over your left shoulder.

Floating in the air a short distance from you are seven magnificent mirrors. These mirrors are not truly physical as they are also not truly mirrors but, for the sake of this exercise we will imagine them this way.

Each mirror is unique in its beauty. Each has a different frame and shape. The glass in each mirror is equally unique. There are waves and forms, areas that are concave, some convex and colours, beautiful arrays of colours.

You then become aware that over your right shoulder stand seven white columns. They are also unique in their height, circumference and shape but the material from which they are made (sand, limestone and white clay) is pretty much the same, although some variations are present. Unlike the mirrors, the columns are physical and subject to entropy.

Suddenly something to your left glimmers and you see there, suspended in mid-air, a diamond of such brilliance that it blinds you at first. Then the most extraordinary thing occurs.

The sun’s light hits the multi-faceted diamond creating a spectacular effect of light and colour. One ray of the sun enters the diamond but seven rays are projected out of the front face and each ray hits a corresponding mirror.

Now the mirrors, due to their nature, automatically reflect the sun’s light. When the light hits each mirror, the effect is wholly unique. Depending on the shape and unique lines and colour in the glass, the light that each mirror projects is individual to it. This light never stops shining and each mirror never stops reflecting it.

Now your attention turns once again to the seven columns. You turn to look and see the most amazing effect. The unique light reflected by each mirror has found a target on the columns. Each mirror has found a corresponding column on which to project its reflected light.

Mirror 1 is projecting onto Column 1. The effect is that Column 1 becomes aware of itself. She is given a name, let’s call her Alice. Alice looks down at herself, at her beautiful colours and glimmers of light and says, “Look at me! Look at my colours of orange and rose and my unique forms of light. This is me. I am my unique individuality.” She is unaware of the mirror that is projecting light, she is unaware that she is a composite of that individual ray of light, the uniqueness of the mirror that projects it and the physical form of the column. She only sees the effect, not the cause. And therein lays her error.

This phenomenon continues down the line as each column become self-aware.

As time goes by the columns begin to notice entropy of their physical form. The wind and rain have worn them on them. One day, Alice, our Column 1, crumbles and the dust remaining is carried away by the wind. To the other Columns who have witnessed this event believe she has disappeared. Without a target for the light from her corresponding mirror to hit, it appears as if her light is gone, as if it shines no more.

But Column 1 witnesses and experiences something different. Her self-awareness, her consciousness lingers there for a moment. She then experiences the sensation of moving upward along the ray of light of which facilitated her awareness. As she moves, it appears as if she is traveling through a tunnel to a point of bright light at the end.

She now perceives a sense of “arriving” and in front of her is a magnificent Being of Light. It is the mirror. She doesn’t look back. This unit of consciousness and temporal self-awareness re-joins the mirror as memories and experience.

Note: She, this soul “container” (so-to-speak) or “unit of individualized consciousness” never descended down to the column. She was created when the light from the mirror found a target and a composite was formed. The projected light was never retracted and the mirror never actually left home. The mirror did not incarnate, only the light projected by the mirror, with all of its unique properties, experienced existence as a composite of form and light for a short while.

We are the “mirrors”, immortal spirits that are direct emanations of the Divine.

The “mirror” will find another target and in fact, can find multiple targets at once and experience multiple states of being, some more physical than others.

This exercise is meant to illustrate that there are more ways to think about the concept of incarnation or reincarnation as currently understood in the west.

The differences may be subtle but the implications are profound in light of recent claims that reincarnation is a trap.

Reincarnation as Understood in the Past

The doctrine of reincarnation, known by other names such as, rebirth, transmigration of the soul, metempsychosis, metensomatosis and palingenesis is a concept that generally implies the immortality of the soul and cyclic manifestation of Being through incarnation, both physical and non-physical.

Most of the ancient notions of reincarnation are surprisingly incongruent with the modern view on the subject. This is a pertinent point to note for it reflects a vital truth…Human beings have been evolving through ages and this evolution of consciousness and soul directly implies an evolving understanding of the universe and the human’s place in it.

Let us consider a few variations on the reincarnation theme:

Mesopotamia

The Mesopotamians believed in the Eternal Return, a concept that for them, while similar to the current Western view of reincarnation, was not the same. The Mesopotamian notion of “descent to the Underworld” involved “descending and ascending” as cyclic phenomena. To quote Adapa from his Treatise on Sumerian Religion, “reincarnation is a concept suitable for the Mesopotamians because it was so real and explicit that it was not worth reporting the strikingly obvious.” The Mesopotamians took painstaking notes of the coming of the sunrise and sunset every day, the return of the seasons, the planets and the stars, always revolving and returning to charted points in the skies. Thus, they did believe that everything was cyclic, and probably considered life and death as such as well’. This viewpoint is confirmed by the Assyriologist Jean Bottero in his work “Mesopotamia: Writing, Reasoning, and The Gods”.

Hinduism

Hinduism is not a religion unto itself but rather a tessellation of religions. There was no central founder or authority. Although the transmigration of soul (from one body to another) has an extraordinarily firm hold on the people of India, the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs, the theory of reincarnation does not appear in the Vedas. The Vedic religion did not have this belief. It teaches instead, the theory of re-death (punarmyrtyu) or “new death”.

The earliest mention of transmigration is found in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. According to the Upanishads rebirth or reincarnation of the souls can take place in a series of physical bodies (normally in human bodies but also in animals and even plants) or in a series of astral and preternatural bodies (sun, moon, planets, stars, angels or demons), depending on one’s karma. The Kaushitaki Upanishad expresses it more clearly: “He is reborn here either as a worm, or as a butterfly, or as a fish, or as a bird, or as a lion, or as a serpent, or as a tiger, or as a person, or as some other being in this or in that condition, according to his works, according to his knowledge”.

Who is the “he” that the Upanishad refers to here? Does “he” refer to the True Self or is this allegory used to explain the cyclic nature of conscious evolution? The Upanishad is a philosophical text, written by fallible humans.

Why do so many westerners accept eastern teachings to be absolute truth?

In his various works, philosopher René Guénon, illustrated that the belief in reincarnation held by the Hindu religion and by Buddhism, are misinterpretations of two completely different processes; metempsychosis and transmigration.

This manifestation of a Being (True Self) from state to state is called ‘transmigration’, although in reality, the Being has nowhere to migrate to; it is always home it never leaves home. It is more a case of innumerable lives manifesting at once due to the Being’s mere existence.” [refer to: “A Case Against Reincarnation,” p. 31, para. Cool

The problem with the theory of reincarnation that holds sway over the minds of Hindus, Buddhist and many westerners today, is that it assumes the primacy of incarnating into a human body. This is an absurd idea considering that the universe teeming with life at all levels.

The Druids

Although Druidic tradition forbade the inscribing of their teachings, Caesar, Lucan and Pomponius Mela recorded accounts of their contact with the ancient Druids and their beliefs, especially regarding life and death. For the Druids, the goal of human experience was to reach the Otherworld. This Otherworld barely resembles exoteric Christian descriptions of heaven. The Romans had no concept of the continuity of existence that compared to the Druidic belief. “The Druids believe that souls do not die but pass after the death of the body into another” (Ceasar VI, 14).

Disconcerted by the Druidic belief in the soul’s immortality, Caesar, a cunning strategist, deemed it a shrewd move by the druids because it was, “suitable for exciting courage while suppressing the fear of death” (VI, 14). Pomponius Mela agreed, “[for the druids] Souls are immortal and there is another life among the dead, this makes them more courageous in war”. Despite the Romans astonishment, the authors of antiquity, without exception, testified to the druidic belief in the immortality of the soul. The important distinction here is that for the Druids, the concept of “rebirth” implied “re-entry” into the Otherworld) and/or “rebirth” to another life elsewhere. To the Druid mind, none of this occurred in a linear fashion (as in subsequent incarnations) nor forcibly on earth as a human being. The spirit chose when and where to experience life and is indeed, “incarnating” in both past and present, in multiple worlds, at the same time.

To the druids, this Otherworld is the intemporal and nonspatial place where the world imagined by the Divine Plan is realized. Human beings were active components of the whole, of God and its Becoming. Their beliefs were congruent with the Pythagorean system that exalted the individual soul. Individuals were entirely free to assume their destinies and choose their own paths. The individual assisted the Divine Plan by engaging, as a human being, with the world and acting upon it.


Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism conveys a unique expression of reincarnation very similar to the ancient Germanic tribes and wholly different from the Eastern view. In the sixth paragraph of this essay it is written, “The accepted use and definition of ‘incarnate’ evokes images of something individual descending from one place, down into matter. This is spatial and temporal thinking unique to the human mind that most easily grasps 3rd dimensional realities of time and space”.

Zoroastrianistic thought did not account for or include linear time. For the Indo-Aryans, time was cyclic in nature. They lived in the present moment, the Here and Now. While there is no direct mention of reincarnation, Zoroastrianism infers a state of “multiplicity of being”.

The Zoroastrian understanding of incarnation is more like that of the Germanic tribes than that of Eastern thought.

From the 19th Century Onwards

The notion of metempsychosis became popular in Europe in the 19thcentury, most notably among European Intellectuals. This appears to have influenced Helena Blatvasky’s Theosophy in addition to her interpretation of Eastern concepts.

Rudolf Steiner, an esoterist and philosopher was first influenced by Theosophy before breaking away from the organization for various reasons, most notably because of Theosophy’s hostility towards the Christ (Christ Being and Christ Impulse not exoteric, orthodox Christianity which Steiner also objected to). This is an important point that we will come to in the latter portion of this essay).

Rudolf Steiner saw the cycles of human reincarnation as an evolutionary process, an evolution of the individual and of the whole of humanity, the universe, and the divine. According to Steiner, each human comes into the world with a fully unique personality, which cannot be reduced to genetics or familial and societal environment. The reality of the individual spirit is central to Steiner’s philosophy.

Steiner spoke of four bodies: the physical body; the etheric, or life, body; the astral, or soul, body; and the “I,” or spirit body. He further taught that, although the spirit of the individual is real and eternal, the complete human born each lifetime is unique, and work done in one particular incarnation cannot be achieved in the same way in another.

While Steiner spoke of the theory of reincarnation in terms thatseemed to correspond to the Theosophical view there were differences. Steiner stressed that reincarnations was a theory, whereas Theosophy proclaimed reincarnation as an absolute truth.

When studying Steiner’s work, it’s important to remember that Steiner was attempting to explain immortality and the development of humanity in terms that most people could understand.

The average person in the early 20th century had no notion of quantum physics and concepts like “all lives, past, present and future, are occurring at once”, would have been very difficult to understand. Nevertheless, Steiner alluded to this more than once. Reminding his students that thinking in terms of “past and future lives” would be in error.

Steiner offered techniques for receiving impressions of past lives but these were only impressions connected to a specific experience or lesson in one’s current life. There were no great details of the previous life (name, place, date and so on). The purpose of these exercises was to assist a person in better understanding their current situation, their strengths and weaknesses.

René Guenon (who critized Steiner but also admired him) saw such anecdotal evidence of reincarnation differently.

I quote; “Guénon explains the occurrence of anecdotal evidence of reincarnation (remembering past lives): He suggests that these phenomena are caused by “psychic residue,” which are the energies or subtle parts of one’s organic being. These energies are then separated or jettisoned from the body when a person dies, and while they slowly disperse and decompose, they can seemingly take on a life of their own.”

This also accounts for ghostly phenomena and instances in which mediums communicated with the recently departed.

“These residues can take the form of the body that they once inhabited, thus forming apparitions or ghosts, and they can also be picked up by individuals, sensed in dreams, manifesting as visions or even cause individuals to be possessed.”

Helena Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner also stated emphatically that it is impossible for a departed soul to communicate with those on Earth through a medium. What Guenon referred to as “psychic residue” Blatvasky and Steiner called “astral shells” when a human dies they leave behind what can be called an “astral shell”. This is the remnant of consciousness left lingering after death. This is not the actual individual soul but is simply a senseless subjective form which eventually disintegrates, usually within a few decades at the most. This “shell” contains a large portion of memories and knowledge which the individual possessed during that lifetime but has no individual consciousness or Being behind it.

Blavatsky said that, “these astral shells or ‘Kama Rupas’ roam senselessly around in the Kama Loka (the astral) and are easily contacted by those with mediumistic tendencies or psychic sensitivity. Since they are able to senselessly repeat and recite certain pieces of information and knowledge which the individual possessed during its life on earth, they are easily mistaken by many to actually be the real soul.”

Rest of article here.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/10/28/reincarnation-trap/

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:30 pm    Post subject: Phowa Reply with quote

Now I'm even more confused. Chuck it all ,I'm going to a Buddhist Pureland (kechara) and spend my time on a giant lotus flower engaging in yabyum with a fetching dakini. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I leave this body I'm just off back to the mothership, lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Incarnation Trap Reply with quote

As a hypnotherapist, I had researched this topic extensively over the past years. Guys like Newton and Weiss have written books on case studies of hundreds of their clients especially in regards to "afterlife" and the time between lives. I have communicated with trapped ghosts (entities) myself having lived in a haunted house. The ghosts were remnants of a war that occured at the place 100 years previously and the ghosts were a family that were still defending the land, they died a very slow, agonizing death and therefore became what is known as earthbound (dwelling in the astral soup so to speak).
The concept "empty shells" is interesting and something I cannot comment on as I do not have enough knowledge on that. However the astral contains everything from earthbound entities, demons, soul pieces/shards, trauma pieces, dark and light entities etc., pieces of negative behaviour (anger, gossip, pain, fear etc.).

Then I have done numerous sacred plant ceremonies, during which I was able to journey outside this reality and able to look at earth and humanity from a distance. Needless to say I found it difficult having to return here.
Anyhow, the most crucial information that I can share here is that everytime I journeyed I was able to see (experience) the massive apparatus that comprises the matrix. It was shocking to see the enormous scale to which our lives are being monitored and interfered with. It was hard in the beginning for me to accept. So much of our history and even in our present is based on lies. The forces of domination and control have done a thorough job and there are no coincidences. The incarnation machine is a machine that is managed by the Archons. If you are "sleepy" young soul, you will get a life review and then "persuaded" to incarnate back and either create or be the victim of more negativity, while more experienced souls will be kicked right back into a womb of random mother into a family. The method of control is the separation of us. I.e. separate among ourselves and to keep us separate from our spiritual ancestors. I can only advise that if one dies, to not look at the tunnel, make your own tunnel which will take one back to their Godself and avoid the incarnation machine. Many of us who incarnated here to help had to enter into contracts that result in us having very difficult times here. That was the only way they would let us in. However, if become awakened enough and connect with our inner Godselves (vs the god that is outside like the religions and the media tell us), we raise our vibrations (Orgonite can be very helpful in this), we can become invisible to the matrix, and create our own path w/o interference.

Also, it is important to remain in a neutral observing position, and desist from this light vs dark business. Those beings have been fighting for a very long time to the detriment of mother Earth and humanity. They deserve to be ignored.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: Incarnation Trap Reply with quote

Bateleur wrote:
Needless to say I found it difficult having to return here.
Anyhow, the most crucial information that I can share here is that everytime I journeyed I was able to see (experience) the massive apparatus that comprises the matrix.


Can you explain what you saw?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Incarnation Trap Reply with quote

Bateleur wrote:
As a hypnotherapist, I had researched this topic extensively over the past years. Guys like Newton and Weiss have written books on case studies of hundreds of their clients especially in regards to "afterlife" and the time between lives. I have communicated with trapped ghosts (entities) myself having lived in a haunted house. The ghosts were remnants of a war that occured at the place 100 years previously and the ghosts were a family that were still defending the land, they died a very slow, agonizing death and therefore became what is known as earthbound (dwelling in the astral soup so to speak).
The concept "empty shells" is interesting and something I cannot comment on as I do not have enough knowledge on that. However the astral contains everything from earthbound entities, demons, soul pieces/shards, trauma pieces, dark and light entities etc., pieces of negative behaviour (anger, gossip, pain, fear etc.).

Then I have done numerous sacred plant ceremonies, during which I was able to journey outside this reality and able to look at earth and humanity from a distance. Needless to say I found it difficult having to return here.
Anyhow, the most crucial information that I can share here is that everytime I journeyed I was able to see (experience) the massive apparatus that comprises the matrix. It was shocking to see the enormous scale to which our lives are being monitored and interfered with. It was hard in the beginning for me to accept. So much of our history and even in our present is based on lies. The forces of domination and control have done a thorough job and there are no coincidences. The incarnation machine is a machine that is managed by the Archons. If you are "sleepy" young soul, you will get a life review and then "persuaded" to incarnate back and either create or be the victim of more negativity, while more experienced souls will be kicked right back into a womb of random mother into a family. The method of control is the separation of us. I.e. separate among ourselves and to keep us separate from our spiritual ancestors. I can only advise that if one dies, to not look at the tunnel, make your own tunnel which will take one back to their Godself and avoid the incarnation machine. Many of us who incarnated here to help had to enter into contracts that result in us having very difficult times here. That was the only way they would let us in. However, if become awakened enough and connect with our inner Godselves (vs the god that is outside like the religions and the media tell us), we raise our vibrations (Orgonite can be very helpful in this), we can become invisible to the matrix, and create our own path w/o interference.

Also, it is important to remain in a neutral observing position, and desist from this light vs dark business. Those beings have been fighting for a very long time to the detriment of mother Earth and humanity. They deserve to be ignored.


Very nice post, thank you!

I would love a little more description of the apparatus and what you saw.
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This is a matrix controlled prison planet. Those who do evil and game the system prosper, while those who are just trying to survive and get through life without trying to hurt others many times end up eating dirt.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Incarnation Trap Reply with quote

Bateleur wrote:
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Shocked Do you need any orgonite?
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If what you are saying about us being in a prison planet (spiritually) is true, then what hope is there, it's as if karma doesn't work on the beings who are keeping us trapped and pained. Hey great... now I really don't know what to do.
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I guess it all rings true to me, that is why I'm so disturbed. It makes no sense that people have to suffer and suffer in cycles.

To be honest I don't give a damn about myself here, but all these lovely people we know. There's so much good in everyone I know, even ones that are lost in their ego. I can't help but feel sad when there's this trap and so many of our friends and family will have to suffer endlessly again and again. I'd die for all of your freedom and happiness any day. The worst part? I feel like I can't do shit about this exploiation of souls. I'm sorry for being negative, but I just don't know anymore..
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stellarius wrote:
If what you are saying about us being in a prison planet (spiritually) is true, then what hope is there, it's as if karma doesn't work on the beings who are keeping us trapped and pained.
Hey great... now I really don't know what to do.


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IMO we're just puppets. The same entities pull all the strings. they currently control the earth, and have rewritten human history. They back both sides in every war. They are both God and Satan in every religion. They control both political parties. They corrupt everything they control.

Our suffering provides both food and entertainment. Once I came to understand something of the way the system works, not just with my head, but with my heart and my gut, suddenly there are other choices.

Choose love. They can't stand it.

Choose joy. Enjoy every bit of this beautuful world and the creatures in it, and appreciate them for what they are.

Choose gratitude. Be thankful for all the blessings you have. Make a list, if you have to.

Choose honesty. They are the people of the lie. Truth is like light to the vampires.

Choose kindness, when you can.

Always be aware that the ones that control this world do not have your best interests at heart. If you hear from them that something is good for you,consider the source.

We are not powerless. That's what they want you to think- so don't!

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