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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Archonic BS Reply with quote

Sounds like the same old archonic BS to me. I have no interest in bowing down to Yaldaboath. As the old gnostics said "your god is insane"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gabeff wrote:
I always get weirded out when I see the word 'him' capitalized, talking about some superior being. and why is it always him?


Foreclusion.

using the world "him" comes from a set of values and belief that totally negate the feminine side of everything. "feminine is feeble and powerless" they say.

Foreclusion leads to Madness on large scale.

Foreclusion leads to sexual agressivity.

Foreclusion leads to social inequity.

Foreclusion lead to a life of lies.

For exemple, foreclusion led to inquisition...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Archonic BS Reply with quote

diogenes wrote:
Sounds like the same old archonic BS to me. I have no interest in bowing down to Yaldaboath. As the old gnostics said "your god is insane"


You are not of the body, you are not of Landru!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject: Wow! Reply with quote

Wow! a line from old Star Trek episode Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love that episode.
My wife and I love Star Trek. We had the theme music as our wedding music, at the end.. lol

The registrar even did the Vulcan sign for us.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Star Trek Reply with quote

Used to watch Star Trek, many moons ago when I was single. My wife hates Sci -Fi or anything sceince related : Sad
I was surprised my old brain remembered the reference. I like the episode where Spock puts the moves on the Hot Romulain commander (knee high boots and short skirt ) amazing how you can be imprinted in your adolescant years. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile

For the un-Trekkie here, the quote was from an episode called 'The Return of the Archons'
I thought it was appropriate to the thread theme Smile
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708476/
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember one early scene where Kirk was putting some moves on a gal, and as Spock was walking out the door, he leers at the captain.

This Him thing made me think of a good movie, Lexx-I Worship His Shadow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbJobFYjmvA&index=2&list=PLak3scrDy0HQ YqA05uo2F8yM-7t-MdA4t

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread! I see many people say: I believe this / I believe that.....but what you see is important in my opinion.
If you simply look at this "place" that we live in some things just do not really add up...... look at the nature of this place for starters.
All beings in nature need to compete with, and kill and eat other beings to survive, the entire system is based on this principle. In a system like this the most agressive and vicious predators will rise to the top, the most kind and most innocent will be the easy prey..... much easier to overpower a baby than a strong full grown, whatever the species. (animals will often eat animalbaby's because it's an easy prey)
Such a system entices you to throw away your ethics and moral in order to survive.... it steers you into viewing your fellow beings as competitors, and it steers you into manipulating and exercising power.

There are no baby's in this world (whatever the species) that are threatening, they have not learned to compete and be vicious yet.
Their spirit does not see the need to compete, but treir body's from this world will teach them soon enough.....

Take a look at the financial system: it's banks create money out of thin air and then move that money around in ways so ever more money flows back to them. It's a rigged system, they always win.
Now lets change some words just for fun.... Wink
Take a look at the karmic system: it's archons (for lack of better term) create karma out of thin air and then move that karma around in ways so ever more karma flows back to them.
Their currency is not the dollar, the currency is guilt!

You owe them big time in the sense of guilt, at least that's what they will make you believe....
They will give you an "oppurtunity" to pay your "debt" (just like the banks will send you to work)
So they send you down here and put you in a body, a body that has some inherent needs and tendencies.
They dump you in this competitive shithole and you start your life, but when it's over your debt will only be bigger again.

Think about it: Why a system that is based on competition?
Why not a system that is based on collaboration?
Why a body with inherent needs that will very likely increase the karmic debt?
It sound very illogical that the source of conciousness (or prime consciousness) would need anything to keep existing...... if it needed "food" like our body's do, it would not have existed in the first place.
Are the "archons" seperated from the source? Is that why they need sustenance? Are we the ones providing it?

That's why I am so suspicious of the new age movement.... it describes a spiritual hierarchy..... exactly like the natural system we live in. Top predators at the top, prey at the bottom, the "archons" being top predator...
A system based on competion requires a hierarchy, in a system based on collaboration a hierarchy cannot exist.
In a system based on competion it's always about me.... in a system based on collaboration it's always about us!

This world we live in does not jibe with my mind/spirit....
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Fascinating Reply with quote

WOW !!!!! Very PITHY Gemcutter, Well done, Well said.
A lot of new agers are unaware of or choose to ignore these realities. I am so sick of the law of attraction BS (seems to me to be a "spiritual" rationalization for pursuing unbridled hedonism) and the "If I think positive thoughts" nothing can harm me mentality. It's a big resturant out there, and you are on the menu.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WOW !!!!! Very PITHY Gemcutter, Well done, Well said.
A lot of new agers are unaware of or choose to ignore these realities. I am so sick of the law of attraction BS (seems to me to be a "spiritual" rationalization for pursuing unbridled hedonism) and the "If I think positive thoughts" nothing can harm me mentality. It's a big resturant out there, and you are on the menu.


I am not saying that what I sketch here is a reality, but it's a possibillity though. Nature seems very harsh if you look at it from the perspective of kindness and morals. Does the fish agree first with the shark about being eaten? Did he attract it, being eaten, because the thought accidentally crossed his mind....? Laughing
No it's all based on exercising force, the one that lives is the one that is the strongest, fastest, most cunning, most deceptive, most agressive, most evasive, most aware etc etc.
You see the same hierarchy in our society, the people at the top positions take those spots at the cost of others (in politics, companies, banking, crime etc.) doing whatever it takes to "win", being deceptive, agressive, most cunning etc. They don't care about other beings and don't feel much empathy for others, if any at all.
Are the "top predators" beings that have a higher dose of "nature power", or do they simply have a bad connection with their true source?
Now the "spiritual" world.... everybody here has heard the term "spiritual hierarchy", there we go again.... a hierarchy.... Surprised and let's not forget the "ascended masters" and the "guru's", the word "master" implies a hierarchy!
There is angels and archangels etc. oh and one is more powerfull than the other. One ascended master is at a higher level of enlightenment than the other. In new age there is many dimensions..... always levels, barriers and a hierarchy. And it's always about guilt or sin that has to be paid, or karma. And it's always about submitting to something, a concept, a beliefsystem, the guru or god.
And who is that god? God the creator of this world or realm or material universe or holographic universe, whatever you call it?
And maybe the most important question of all: did he "create" me to, or just my body?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One always learns the most from difficult classes.

For those Souls seeking unfoldment, getting the chance to incarnate on this planet, at this time,

is like winning the Spiritual Lottery.

Chin Up ! You are already Winning.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chin Up ! You are already Winning.


My chin is up! Did I sound depressed? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Submitting to anything (even someone else's belief system...) is a free will choice... that often gives your power away... and brings one to staying in judgment - not trusting that everything is the way it's supposed to be...

Getting stuck in good/bad is not exactly helpful... since those things we tend to judge are often the same things that keep us stuck for a while... until we realize that the judgment itself is what is keeping us there...

Being in the flow without judging is more important that one may think... and the only way to get where you want to go is to first get to know what judgments your own good self may have and then learning the value of keeping them or letting them go...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Submitting to anything (even someone else's belief system...) is a free will choice... that often gives your power away... and brings one to staying in judgment - not trusting that everything is the way it's supposed to be...


I fully agree about submitting! A belief system is exactly as the word says: it's a belief, and may have little to do with reality. I try not to believe anything, and at the same time I try not to disbelief anything either, that way there is always room for critical thoughts. If you hold on to a certain belief, you close yourself of to other possibilities...

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Getting stuck in good/bad is not exactly helpful... since those things we tend to judge are often the same things that keep us stuck for a while... until we realize that the judgment itself is what is keeping us there...

Being in the flow without judging is more important that one may think... and the only way to get where you want to go is to first get to know what judgments your own good self may have and then learning the value of keeping them or letting them go...


I find the whole thing about judjing a bit tricky.... I cannot judge others, that is correct, I simply am not intelligent enough, and I cannot see the complete picture with all it's little details, so I gave up on that!
But on the other hand, I simply cannot accept everything either: for example if I see someone kick and abuse his dog, my impuls is to stop it and kick his but... Is that judging or is that simply not accepting something?
Is not judging the same as accepting everything? I think that accepting everything is very dangerous!
Maybe it's possible to not accept the man kicking and abusing his dog, and at the same time not juddging him for doing so, because you do not know the details of his personal history, upbringing etc.

(maybe that example was a bit silly but I did not want to sketch some dark, bloody, creepy situation)
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