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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 5:11 am    Post subject: Is a chembuster a lighning rod? Anyone had a strike? Reply with quote

I am a little worried about this chembuster i am going to build since the thought occurred to me, after reading someone mention the idea in a post, that a chembuster is basically a lightning rod. Is this thing dangerous to set up next to my house? Maybe I should just build a bunch of organite without the pipes on it if it's dangerous.
Shouldn't a chembuster have the copper pipes grounded with a thick wire in case of a lightning strike? I live in a medium size house with a small backyard, but I was going to set it up out back pretty close to the structure (our house). I mean, how could a ten-foot copper pole NOT attract lightning? That's what lightning rods are made of, btw- metal poles or pipes attached to thick grounded copper wires. I don't want to blow a hole in the side of my house from an errant strike or ungrounded lightning rod.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think there is an actual record of a cb being hit being hit by a bolt.

If one examine the actual design of a Melsen antenna (Thunder rod) it is notable that a cb is an incomplete thunder rod. I t would require a zinc or alu tips on the pipes, or any electronegative material.

And then there is the tesla loop effect or EM anti-signal most probably occuring around the pipes, making it borderline impossible for the lightning to strike, at least that is what i think.

Hope it answer your question.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that does answer my question, i guess- thank you, Starseed. Bc if CBs DO act as actual lightning rods then I'm sure numerous people on this forum would have reported this to be a problem, & you guys would tell me. I have never read anywhere or seen on google searches CBs causing lightning strikes, so prolly you are right. I just don't understand how these huge copper rods could possibly NOT attract lightning. For example, it's not a good idea to stand under a tree or swing a golf club during a lightning storm bc the organic material of the body, or orgon resin of a cb, is an easier conductor of electricity than the tree or golf club that acts as an attractive antenna. But you kindly provide a scientific explanation like a true scientist:

If one examine the actual design of a Melsen antenna (Thunder rod) it is notable that a cb is an incomplete thunder rod. I t would require a zinc or alu tips on the pipes, or any electronegative material.

Maybe it would make me feel better to consult a lightning rod installer and ask him if he or she thinks this is safe. If he says it isn't safe then that PROVES it's an orgonite field thingy preventing the lightning strikes, bc obviously it's not a problem for anybody around here right.
That would be a interesting experiment to build a complete CB and put it on the roof of your house to act as an orgonite lightning rod by making the cb a completed lightning rod or Melsen antenna by putting zinc / Al tips on the pipes and ground the cb properly w thick copper wire, like a real lightning rod. Channeling the energy from the lightning strike into the copper mobius coil wrapped around the crystal before the electricity discharges safely thru the copper ground wire. Like in Back To the Future Smile Or maybe the orgonite matrix that the completed lightning rod CB is encased in would ward off lightning strikes, in which case we just invented a new lightning rod- the Orgon Lightning Rod- occasionally creating rips in the fabric of spacetime SURE to get orgone energy mentioned on the news!!
Seriously tho, I lost my job in November and moved back in w/ my mom recently so I'm sure you can understand she would not be very happy with me if my funny-looking chembuster attracted lightning and blew a hole in the side of our house. Thanks for answering my question again. I wonder does the CB need to have a clear view of the sky, like a direct tv dish, or will it work just as good placed under a big tree?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend and I made a CB. It's deployed on a hilltop. It's never been hit. The metal pipes are just not that tall.

Don't know how many CBs the members here have. IMO at least half of our members have made one. That's a lot of CBs. None have ever reported being hit.

I'm more concerned by transients stealing the copper. When I make another, I'll cover the rods with PVC pipe.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

intesrestingly enough, we just had a major thunder storm here the other day. counting 496 stikes per hour on strike meter(free online meter or app) at the peak of the storm as it came in from the east. The CB wth copper pipes which is close to the bui;ding here & is grounded with copper wire & earth pipe was fine. Not ever heard of any probs like that with CB.

Would ground CB though anyhow if you concerned. Works better that way anyhow from what i can see.

Best of luck with your CB & orgonite making.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a side note, and I have mentioned this before on the forum, my brother would put a penny in the wash on top of the chimney he built as a hallmark.

They all have been struck by lightning (or so he says).

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was doing some research on how to build a lightning rod and found a couple interesting things. One, the tip of the lightning rod needs to be sharpened for easy ion flow between negative sky n positive ground. So since we don't sharpen the ends of the pipes that should make it safer. I wonder if pointy tips would increase orgone flow as well?

Second, the lightning rod only needs to be about 12 inches long; of course, this is intended to be placed at the highest point of a structure, ie the chimney, so hopefully my six foot pipes will be fine so long as they are on the ground, & grounded. But how does one properly ground a lightning rod?
----According to my main source on eHow.com, the LR needs to be grounded by a 9 foot copper or steel rod that is buried at least 8 feet in the ground.
------Lastly, the problem is that the device is not properly grounded unless a 1' stranded copper cable is fitted to each pipe/LR with a lightning rod wire clamp & connected to the grounding rod, which I have no plans to do.

Maybe I should just bury the whole orgonite matrix base in the earth to ground it somewhat for better orgone performance, but I am afraid if there WAS a lightning strike to the cableless pipes there would still be a big explosion, but not as bad as if the orgone matrix left unburied.

I'm not really that worried about it bc everybody says lightning isn't a problem, altho the only reason I can fathom why this thing WOULDN'T attract lightning is bc of the orgone pipes balancing the negative charge of the sky to the positive charge of the ground, in a different way than a LR using orgone energies rather than ions. But doesn't it need a REALLY good ground to do that effectively?

Maybe attaching the cable to top pipes like a lightning rod isn't a bad idea. It sounds alot like the bottom half of Starseed's Aegis, except the bottom pipes not insulated from orgonite matrix. Would copper cables in the top pipes hinder the orgone oscillations?

Trying to think of an effective way to ground it besides burying the damn beautiful thing I'm building from Silmar 41. The thought occurred to me that encasing a 9 foot vertical copper rod (attached to Aegis cables) into the orgonite matrix then burying the rod in a hole, but then it wouldn't be able to moved, like, EVER, w/o digging up a 9 foot rod. HOWEVER, A NICE THICK COPPER WIRE (attached to Starseed's Aegis cables) COMING OUT THE SIDE OF THE ORGONITE MATRIX COULD THEN BE ELECTRICALLY CONNECTED TO THE BURIED 9 FOOT COPPER ROD. A powerful ground such as this would make a more effective orgonite device, no, in addition to being safer (er) in case of a lightening strike?

That ground plus an uninsulated Aegis n u practically have a lightning rod, minus the full-rod cables and pointed tips. Cool idea from the peanut gallery, right, but perhaps a bit too much for my first cb tho. Ya think?

http://www.ehow.com/how_8040028_homemade-lightning-rods.html
http://engineering.mit.edu/ask/how-do-you-make-and-install-lightning-r od


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am getting better now at using the search function. I think I'll do it like Starseed said: "...for my cb i use a 1/4 inch threaded bolt, plungedin the matrix, connected either to a rod in the ground or through a wire and a socket plug to the electric grid of the house."

I still like my idea of connecting Starseed's Aegis cables to the 1/4' ss threaded bolt encased in the matrix then bolt connected to grounding rod, for increased ion & orgone flow.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question !
I have modified your title to see if anyone has had a lightening strike on their CB.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, my post from last year is still getting a lot of hits, but my question has changed from IS my cb a lightening rod (yes, it is) into how do I intentionally attract lightening to hit my orgonite lightening rod & channel that power thru the crystal and resonating neo mag tuned oscillating circuit into the flux capacitator (yes, from 'Back to the Future') in order to create a rip in the fabric of space-time so that the orgone energy spills out upon us, turning us into the Fantasic 4 and enabling communication w/ entities slightly beyond the reach of human sensory perception. In Buddhism, however, such entities are nonetheless regarded as common , ordinary, & everpresent, referred to as devas, sylphs, brahmans, naga, ghosts, & yes ogres n fairies too.This is the oldest & most orthodox branch of Buddhism, Therevadan, not the newer less orthodox Mahayana Buddhism from Japan, Tibet, China etc that most american hippies prefer. The angels & demons surround us at all times- you are never alone.

Here is a picture of the cloudbuster I built on my first try generating 21 volts pinging 60 hertz/sec. I posit that the copper pipes act as an amplified lightening rod creating a (powered) circuit between the positive charge of the sky / ionosphere, & the negative charge of the ground. Dispute this fact or hold your peace momentarily n read on, bc I'm here all summer n i take questions. It's stressful & expensive building your first cb if you want to do it right. I'm happy to help. I assume the 2,761 people who read this post mostly don't have CBs yet. It's really easy ya'll except the copper pipe spacers and you can just heat them up on a grill until it's hot enough to push thru a plastic bucket cover you can use to hold the pipes in place while the resin dries. Somebody on this site needs to start selling spacers designed for the bucket which is included in the purchase price. I am looking to buy or make better spacers this year bc it has to be perfect if you want to attach the 6 ft pipes n not have them hit each other.





Back to biz, anything that creates a volt also creates an electric-magnetic field (emf), as well as yet-undetermined radio frequency emissions.

So I hypothesize that a cb IS a lightening rod, which is the reason it does NOT attract lightening, unless we specifically put it at the highest point of a building and engineer it to do that, starting w/ a real 8 ft copper lightening rod sunk into the matrix. If you want to make a ham radio out of a cb, instead use a simple copper dipole antenna. I wonder if fusing the two extremes somehow might make a better chembuster than just copper pipes? Can the design be improved, or is it already perfect like it?

Moving on, a cb is a transducer in that converts electrical signal into------ radio waves, which are just electromagnetic waves themselves.--------

So the REAL question is, 'do copper radio antenna attract lightening'? If you google that question interesting results pop up. I encourage you to research this question yourself, but I will cut'n paste some of the interesting results / links below:

This info came from an amateur ham radio forum----

There is a little known factor which you do not see printed in amateur publications very often. For lack of a better description, it is called "cone of effectiveness". The theory being that a well grounded tower not only protects itself from direct hits, it also protects an area around it.


In a lightning strike, there are actually two lightning "bolts" or leaders that are involved. There's the longer sky leader (the one we see coming down toward the ground) and a ground leader that forms at the last millisecond and jumps up from the ground through the object about to be struck and the two leaders meet up in the sky, the path is made and the static in the clouds is dissipated. If I have a tower or antenna that has devices on it that are constantly bleeding off charge, which all arrestors do, some to better degrees than others, then the charge required to make the ground leader just won't go up that path because it can't form due to the bleeding off of charge. And in turn it provides some degree of protection to everything around it. -----did you guys hear that, IF AN ANTENNA IS CONSTANTLY LEAKING CHARGE THEN THE LIGHTENING BOLT CAN'T FORM BC THE CB IS INSULATED AND/OR GROUNDED THEREFORE THE GROUND CHARGE CAN'T RISE UP TO MEET THE SKY CHARGE. PUT YER CB IN A 5 GALLON BUCKET, HALF-FULL, TO BE SURE, if if a cb is transmitting am radio, as I believe, it doesn't need to be grounded maybe bc of the insulated poly resin dielectric. Ok back to article--------+++++++++$$$$$$$$$#######@@@@@

I know with my three towers and extensive antenna systems at my QTH, I'm always looking out the back door during lightning shows just itching to see one strike a tower but to no avail. I do know however that I've taken some hits because when I go to the top of the tower and look at the top of the mast, there's a few burnt pit marks that I know were not from the birds smoking their pipes while sitting around on the antennas!!!

Here is another article about an FM radio station transmitter that got hit by lightening. I stopped reading when I realized it wasn't relevant to us bc the rf that our CBs emit is in AM, not FM, but it is curious to me why FM transmitters have to be grounded while AM transmitters are always insulated, bc our poly resin is an insulation dielectric similar to the plastic insulation covering high voltage copper overhead transmission lines, but as with any insulator when you apply a high enough electric field then that insulator becomes a conductor. The resin is providing the resistance necessary to create the volt. You do not get a volt without resistance, or ohms. Great Ceasar's ghost!!! This is not a joke, you crystal chuckleheads, I am not saying 'ohm' like a Hindu who is meditating and saying 'ohm' to invoke the vibration which represents the entire universe. I'm a buddhist-christian, not a Hindu, but I know about the word ohm in the spiritual sense from my journeys in meditation- it is the most powerful of all meditation vibrations, similar to chanting in Buddhism. It just hit me as I was typing this paragraph that in electricity legalese, the word 'ohm' means resistance. You can't create heat or light from voltage until you add resistance or ohms, in fact I think is impossible to create the volt itself lacking any resistance. Damn if that isn't an interesting coincidence, bc I don't believe in coincidences... so anyway what's the difference between an FM signal & an AM one again?

https://www.copper.org/applications/electrical/pq/casestudy/nebraska.h tml

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Antenna mast lightning protection

I want to attach a 12 foot steel mast to the peak of my house in order to support a professional wireless weather station.

Naturally, I'm concerned about lightning strikes so I'm looking for suggestions for proper grounding.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=194868#/topics/19486 8
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