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Nico
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 2:36 pm    Post subject: Anyone ever put this in their orgone devices? Reply with quote

A few drops of oregano oil? During some orogone discussions last night a friend raised this queston. Why not it apparently has "resonating" properties. Anti fungal, viral, bacterial etc. Anyone ever consider this?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I'm half Italian I can say 'atsa matta you'. What are you making, orgonite pizza or something? Wink

Even though the healing aspects of oregano oil are apparently well known, I seriously advise against putting any oil into resin because even a few drops would only corrupt the mix and prevent it from curing properly. However, sprinkling a little ground oregano onto your curing orgonite wouldn't hurt. Sounds real tasty.

Otherwise, Fuggedaboudit. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, I'm half Italian too. You're right it does sound a little crazy. I guess all the talk of oregano oil having resinating properties and the resinating properties of crystals got me confused. Guess i'll just stick to a few drops of oregano oil under the tongue (the stuff tastes awfull). thanks for the response.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an odd additive. :-) But hey if it works, more power to you! I thought I'd mention one way you could get liquid into an orgonite creation would be to pour it into something like a ping-pong ball and glue or tape the hole shut. Maybe ping-pong balls are a little big for what you're doing, but something like that. I am considering doing this as a way to get a decent amount of energized water into things like HHG's and ChemBusters.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not grow oregano and use the leaves? I have used penneyroyal in orgonite as a flea collar for a dog. orange peels in tbs to keep the cats out the bushes.

Anyone know of a plant to keep mice away?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nico and Brian, may I welcome you here! As you are new members, I want to post a friendly reminder that the proper techniques for making orgonite devices are outlined in the Gifting Compendium which can be downloaded from this site:
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/

I want to emphasize the point that putting oils or liquids in orgonite devices is ill-advised, as it detracts from their effectiveness. So I (respectfully) ask that you follow the recommendations in the above tutorial. Thank you!
Jim
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagle wrote:
I want to emphasize the point that putting oils or liquids in orgonite devices is ill-advised, as it detracts from their effectiveness. So I (respectfully) ask that you follow the recommendations in the above tutorial. Thank you!
Jim


Jim, I appreciate your response. You've made a statement about lower effectivity of orgonite by the inclusion of liquids. However, you seem to have overlooked presenting a basis for that claim. Understand I'm not questioning your knowledge or skill level. I'm only asking that you point me to the references and/or empirical evidence that supports your claim so that I may review it for myself.

It has been shown by many that placing orgonite in water, such as ponds and lakes, increases it effectiveness quite substantially. Why is it that including a sealed ball of it within the resin/metal matrix would counteract and decrease it's effectiveness? Also note that I'm not talking about tap water here. I am talking about water clear of all impurities, energized, and programed for positive thought forms.

Also, I would like to ask, in complete respect, why have you judged my competency based on my "join date" and "post count"?

Thank you. :-)
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian,
My apologies! I didn't mean to infer anything from join or start dates. That was my mistake.
Here is an authoritative article stating that the concept or method of using energized water inside orgonite is being investigated by a highly respected researcher, but is not yet ready to be introduced.
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/viewtopic.php?t=627
There is a big difference between placing "energized water" inside an orgonite device (which is what the above article refers to), as opposed to simply tossing an orgonite device into a river or pond. The former is not recommended, as it would greatly detract from device's effectiveness, whereas the latter tends to enhance the power of the orgonite device, especially if the river has a strong current.
Hope this helps!
Jim
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey folks,

I think there is a distinction here that is lost on those in this discussion.

The addition of water in orgonite devices has been used by very reputable and energy sensitive warriors for quite some time.

This includes Dorkboy and Suze Hooten to name some prominent ones.

Al and Mary from Arizona Protective Services also employ water in their trinity wands, wands which have been determined to be very effective orgonite devices, this notwithstanding some differences of opinion regarding the personalities involved. Of course this should have no bearing upon the reputation of a device gained by a significant consensus of subjective observations, or the more objective type.

I have not added it to any of mine yet.

I know Al encased the water in a chamber. I am not sure about how DB and Suze add it.

My heart tells me any positve substance added to orgonite that does not degrade the curing process will be neutral at worst, and may be an aid for specific applications.

Not required for standard towerbusting and vortex reclaiming of course.

regards,

Mark
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all due respect to everyone, a simple TB, HHG, Earth Pipe etc. all effectively do the job we are trying to aquire. I am sure trying different things in your devices is kewl but is this really not taking away your time from just getting these devices made and deployed? If it ain't broken, why try to fix it?

Peace all,
Dean
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean,

perhaps you missed a few points in the thread beginning with the first.

Nico asked about oregano in orgonite as it might add a frequency of anti-viral/ bacterial etc. Normally someone asking about this is addressing orgonite devices of a personal and interactive nature not a field device.

Halfway thru the thread, it was advised that neither oil or water be added to orgonite as it would detract from their effectiveness, but this claim was not backed up, and was challenged.

And at the end of my post I specifically mentioned that additives are not necessary for towerbusting or vortex reclaiming.

I appreciate your zest for deploying field devices, and desire to be focused on that. Perhaps we should start another topic, or forum perhaps, for those interested in spending some of their time making interactive devices and discussing their ideas. This way those focused on field operations would not get diverted reading through a thread to find nothing of value to them. Feel free to suggest this, or if you second this motion, I will.

Mark
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As pointed out in the article I referred to above, there were unsubstantiated energized water claims made a couple of years ago in an apparent effort to sabotage the gifting network. But now a recent development is that two of our respected researchers have developed a way to energize water and keep it energized. It hasn't been introduced yet, as some more testing will be done.
Until it is, the best advice to give at this time is to refrain from using, or attempting to make "energized water."
I'm sorry for writing so many posts in this thread, as I should have made all this clearer in the beginning. And sorry again if I caused any misunderstanding.
Anyway, hope this helps!
Jim
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for taking the time to read and respond to my post. As Mark pointed out I was inquiring mainly about a personal device such as a CT buster not for field devices. Also after having read much of what the Crofts have written I was under the impression that you could not really screw things up as long as you did what you "felt was right" for you. Of course there may be some physical mistakes ie. adding ingredients that would hamper the curing process that should be avoided. Would a few drops of oregano oil in a three gallon pail of resin do this? I'm not quite sure. Oregano oil seemed like a reasonable ingredient since they say so much about it's "resonating" properties, something they also often say about quartz crystals. I am not an expert on either, simply a guy trying to learn as much as I can about orgone and how my devices can pack the most punch. Maybe adding a few drops on top of the cured finished product could yield the same results or perhaps a drop down each of the copper pipes without messing up the curing of the resin?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

I wish to honor Eagle Jim's desire to keep people focused and on task, when he urges us to leave certain inventions and innovations to the people best suited to the task, while encouraging clarity in interpreting what has been said.

Here is that statement by Don Croft that Eagle Jim is referring to.

"Cesco and Laozu Kelly have apparently developed a way to energize water and keep it energized in a form that excedes any other available energized water but I'll leave it to them to decide when it's ready to be introduced. Unlike the insistent, unsubstantiated energized water claims that were made a couple of years ago in an apparent effort to sabotage the gifting network, this is something that anyone can replicate. Some more testing will be done."

There are many sources for water energizers which have been substantiated by empirical data. This scientific research was done so that the creators could market their devices and or water. Check the net, there are a dozen if not more. Thus others have developed ways to energize water and keep it energized for SOME period of time. You should taste the water from my friend Virginia's device. TAP Water no less.

While Don is known for occasional hyperbole, I would not doubt that even though Cesco an Laozu PROBABLY DID NOT test every other form of energized water available, what they come up with will PROBABLY be the PARAGON of energized water, and it WILL be something everyone can replicate if that is what they say.

This as opposed to the Old Sally medicine wheel water that could only be obtained by Sally's medicine wheel in her back woods. Which became, among other aspects of the "add water" theory, a huge point of contention a while back, which is what Don refers to here.

I urge everyone to please read very carefully. Despite my pointing out what is PROBABLY ultimately harmless hyperbole, Don is meticulous in his wording and when read carefully it is hard to misconstrue what he is conveying.

So think about this. Could anyone imagine a fair quality energized water losing it's potency when encased in orgonite? It would go against alot of the proven theory about orgonite's qualities. So experimental observation is the only sure way to know. So if someone encases a vial of a reputable charged water, using their own discrimination to judge that reputation, and experiments with it, perhaps we would have some knowledge as to its basic effects by the time Cesco and Laozu come out with the kick ass stuff.

Here is the twist. After saying all this, I have recently personally come to faithfully believe in the inherent intelligence of orgonite and feel that the positive orgone energy created by a simple orgonite device transmuting DOR has a native intelligence which will act in the best way to enhance any situation. Adding a quartz crystals and coils directs the vector, and amplifies the POR as it does its intelligent work, but I now feel that though additions will do what they are seen to do, that if we can trust in the intellegence of the POR, it knows what chakras to hit, and how to cluster the water it comes into contact with. NO ADDITIONS NECESSARY. I believe Don has ultimately been hoping I and everyone else would come to this conclusion, as he has hinted towards it as his own realization since I have heard his voice.

This is my subjective faith now, can't prove it, just share my words. And I thank you all for being partners with me on this journey.

Blessings to you,

Mark

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm quite astonished to see that so much space in this thread has been taken up with idle speculation and my apologies to the posters who actually brought something to the table based on their own experimentation, of course.

A history lesson is apparently in order, by the way.

My sister and Al Gray, 2 years ago, began vigorously promoting Sally Water and some devices they made with the water and some orgonite and I rather challenged them to provide some expermental basis for their claims. They refuse to do that and instead started attacking me personally and incessantly on cloud-busters.com.

Kelly, ever-curious, rather favored Al's claims and did some exhaustive experiments and controlled studies to determine if they were supportable.

What he discovered was that any energized water can be added to orgonite to boost the enerty potential of the finished orgonite device and that putting water in pipes had no lasting value environmentally.

Like with (alleged) NASA tech, we got some valuable intel from Kelly's efforts that is still producing inspired inventions, though you haven't heard much about that.

The ultimate development in my mind is Kelly and Cesco's experiment with energizing water in an ordinary orgonite cloudbuster. I'm not going to steal Kelly's thunder, so you'll hear it from him pretty soon and it's still not over, by the way Wink

Since Al and my sisters' claims were discredited I don't feel that it's helpful to keep promoting the claims, frankly.

Likewise, since the Hootens have discredited themselves, at least among the reputable psychics and energy sensitives in the network, I don't feel that it's helpful to promote them here, either.

DB, Carol, Ryan, Anne, Lilly, boney, Stevo and a few other folks can tell you specifically how to combine gems and minerals to achieve specific ends with interactive orgonite devices and all of them are better qualified than the Hootens for this. The Hootens had gotten all of their recommendations from Ben Morten, who no longer associates with them.

I haven't heard from Ben since last summer but if he's got a website or contact info and still wants to network he's a good source for this info, too, I think, as is his dad, Jerry.

Since the wake of this movement is littered with legends-in-their-own-minds, clever saboteurs and other self seekers I hope everyone on WM will check to see if someone has a valid, earned reputation before promoting him or her here.

In the West it's become unfashionable to consider that anyone has earned wisdom from experience but I'm hoping that some propriety will become established here so that the unwitting will stop promoting people who have demonstrated their intention to undermine this grassroots movement.

Along with that, I'm hoping that every single post will be substantive and that anyone who comes to visit will want to tarry to enjoy only substantive offerings instead of strapping on hipwaders to get through the piles of idle speculation like I'm seeing in this thread.

Don't you agree?

As I mentioned in a similar thread just now I'm not going to defend my position by offering more history, evidence and information about these folks. I might do that someday when I no longer perceive them as potential threats to the integrity of this movement but that won't be soon, most likely.

I'm rather hoping that this subject will simply disappear through lack of interest. As I said in the other thread, too, if anyone here wants to challenge my offering, please get to know these folks more personally so that you can make your independent determinations about their characters and intentions. I'm challenging you to do this, in fact, if you feel inclined to promote them here.

By the way, YOU are the arbiter of what might be considered an appropriate additive to orgonite. We found out that tobacco is wonderful to put in tactical devices, by the way, perhaps because it's a sacred plant that earth elementals favor. Do I need to remind that orgonite works extremely well and more than adequately in tactical situations without any additives at all?

~Don
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