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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust waht dennis and Lena say about these things. Read Dennis' post again. i need to remember to change the spelling altho lately for some reason when I gift people I call them, "energy stones" but tell them to look up orgonite on line for more info. or "energy rocks" tux
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ConsciousCode wrote:
Maybe he has overly aggressive representatives?

That is exactly correct Smile It looks as if he has a representative by the name David Powell doing all of the copyright violation reports on both Ebay and Etsy. David Powell also signed up for an Etsy account today to sell the Orgonite Orgone Generator® boxes which is NOT allowed on Etsy since they are mass produced and a commercial product. I recommend everyone report both his listings and his shop on Etsy since they are not Etsy handmade material. He wants to to report everyone's items yet is violating the site's policy himself. Here is his shop and the report item/shop button is on the bottom left. Also, linking to an outside page that he sells the boxes is not permitted.

http://www.etsy.com/shop/MindPowerMachines?ref=seller_info

http://www.etsy.com/help/article/483#marketplace

Selling commercial or mass-produced items in Etsy's handmade categories is not permitted.
You may not list handmade items that you (or a member of your shop) did not create. This is considered reselling and is not permitted.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EsotericArtsChicago wrote:
a little digging on the United States Patent and Trademark office also shows what else he has, which is strangely enough, until TODAY to respond to their 19 pages of reasons why he can't trademark Orgonite...
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn85551979&docId=OOA201206 12133948


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he was told by the USPTO 6 months ago today why it ain't happenin...
12/12/12-12:00 hah
at 12:00 KY time, we can all once again call a duck a duck.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks orgonelove! good lookin out. i will point that out to Etsy's legal team if need be...
the Prosperity Pyramids are damn near the only things i've sold on there, and whereas ALL my orgonite listings were removed (about 5 in all) those are tho ones that were selling, so i made a BUNCH for holidays yknow, last time i was outta town and outta stock and sold a few, and i'm in good standing so i get the $ right away and felt bad...sheesh.
well it's 2 minutes til his shut-down on that so love and light to that. sigh...off to mediate and make more ORGONITE to GIFT for the stupid HOLIDAZE Shocked ugh!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tuxedo meow, i do trust Dennis, but in this matter, i trust what Mr Welz put on his legal disclaimer page more, re-read MY post on that, not to mention his attorney's ILLEGAL action against me today, which sorry but speaks just a bit louder than 2nd hand words.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inform Etsy that his patent does not hold for the naming rights. Etsy cannot just take his word for this. It's ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mean while there is a tremendous section of sellers on ETSY that are selling "orgonite" products. Why did they only contact you?

You know what...Sensei is right the guy posted a TM for a name he should be entitle to it. Last night i was in a rant but today thought wisely.

I wish i knew sooner. i would be happy to credit as well.

I added the disclaimer to my ETSY site just in case.



yep I edited my first post because it was out of disgrace and not appropriate.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of us got our listings pulled on both Etsy & Ebay. Usually when Karl does it himself he will pull ALL of them but it seems this David guy has just been trying to get one or two from each person.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=orgonite& _sacat=0&_from=R40

There are plenty of listings on Ebay using the term.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emlong,

They are still there because either Karl, or his representative has to manually report each listing as a violation. Apparently his representative only reported a few listings from each person (mine included)... some of mine are still there due to it not letting me change the title. I didn't bother taking them down. Some people got banned, some didn't. That's just how it goes on ebay. Same with etsy... he would have to go in there and manually report each listing in violation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the problem is if i re-list them, i could get my whole page kicked off Etsy. i emailed them 3 times. who knows when i'll hear back...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etsy is a great place to get noticed but they have a hard time resolving complicated issues.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one should be able to just tell Ebay or Etsy that they have naming rights and then evaporate someone's listing based on hearsay. The Welz people need to be legally challenged, but in the meantime there is no reason to honor the Welz allegations about naming rights. In the meantime, you can come up with your name and simply use orgonite as a "like" comparison. Using the word as part of a description should not cause any problems. You just need to keep it out of the title of formal name.
Welz himself based the word orgonite on Reich's coinage "orgone," so it is not like Welz coined the term out of the blue either. He is just as derivative as anyone else.
It might be easy enough to just to use the word "orgone" in your item's title. Newcomers to the subject hardly know the difference between orgone and orgonite anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welp, My page was hit too. Brilliant.
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