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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree of course, yet they did it...turns out the prosperity Pyramids were all they removed tho, my other listings expired a few days ago, so i re-listed them.
Still no word back from David or Etsy in reply to my emails.
And I called and asked the USPTO why he has two trademarks, one registered, both for the same thing, and also why they were only challenging one, and she didn't know...she said I could challenge it for $300.
But they did send him 19 pages of why he can't, and they explained to him that :
“orgonite is used generically in the relevant industry to refer to devices, containing fiberglass resins with metal shavings."
So I guess I'll just wait and see if David attacks any of my other listings, but I'm still wary of re-listing the Pyramids, even under a different name. "Orgone Transducer" seems fine and accurate, especially as opposed to Welz calling things "generators" that aren't...he can keep that part
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh wow CretiveChi, just saw that...wth?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't really need to use "orgonite" in the title. We can use it to our heart's content in our descriptive text as an analogy for what we are selling and how it is put together and for what purpose. Using the word "orgone" only in your title will probably get you almost as many search term hits as the word orgonite, and of course if you use the term orgonite in the descriptions then there will be some internet search term linkage from that. "Orgonite" is actually another of those terms we use like HHG's and Power Wands that could probably be done away with or improved upon anyway.
I think that when I make the leap to my own site selling my plaques I might just call them "Orgone Field Wall Plaques" or something like that, but use the term orgonite in the descriptive text that follows. Coming up with a less run of the mill terms might distinguish you enough from the mass of other orgonite sellers to be a bonus.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes true but, as they well know, the "tag" or "keyword" is just that, the key.
so anything with "Orggone" in it should do, hopefully...
Ehter, Aether, -ic, etc...
whatever. I;m currently not focused on sales but massive amounts of minis for gifting.
makes you wonder why he's spending $ paying a lawyer to delete our listings...
he can't be profiting from that...hmmm...
well anywho, 100's of minis will be distributed between now and the new year,
as well as copper-wrapped Shungite.
Try and trademark THAT.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still wondering why someone didn't tell me sooner, other wise I wouldn't of used it. More than half of my products don't use the term/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Orgone Generator®, Chi Generator®, Orgonite®, Orgonit™, Orgonita™, Power Radionics™, etc., are HSCTI trademarks. "

Prana and chi?

How long before he copyrights the holy spirit? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are all easy to sidestep. He does not own any naming right to "orgone." Just pick your own phrasing. You could even use "Generator of Orgone" and be within bounds. If you are attached the idea of a "generator" then look up its synonyms. "Orgone Engine," "Orgone Motor," "Orgone Transformer," "Orgone Dynamo," "Orgone Initiator," etc, etc. Using more novel terms will actually tend to highlight you product. Welz has no claims to the primary term - orgone. It is easy as pie to step around him here.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as far as someone not telling us before having listings removed, that's exactly what would be normal, a simple "Cease and Desist" notice. that saves a lot of hassle for people like us and the companies (Etsy & Ebay etc)
but it seems to me that Mr Welz must have something to gain by having our listings removed with no warning, and pay someone to do so. what that could possibly be, we can only speculate until they respond to my emails.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will be interested in what you hear back.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



i'll keep ya posted of course. i'm not holding my breath to hear back from him (the attorney), but it'd be nice to hear back from Etsy so i can re-list the pyramids. here's a pic of one. i use a Citrine point in these, with lots of Pyrite in em too.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just relist with Etsy calling it an Orgone Pyramid. Tell Etsy also that it is different from whatever Welz supposedly "invented" because it has crystals in compression inside. There is no way Welz can defend a patent on mixing metal flakes with resin. He might be able to defend the name "orgonite," but that is all he can do. This kind of reminds me of the situation with the company Heaven and Earth Jewelry who have come up with brand names for certain unusual stones that they have` decided have unusual energies. People wrongly accuse them of trying to patent the stones themselves when all they are doing is protecting their brand name. They do not however have any claims on the stones themselves. People are free to harvest these stones and call them whatever they want.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i noticed that my other Orgonite listings expired on the 9th so i just re-listed those the other day. Etsy said in the email DO NOT re-list until it's been resolved, and since I haven't heard back from them, i don't know if i should re-list those and change the name, and/or change the names on all my current listings
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you could gift those pieces to some people who really need them and then give us a great gifting report...

There often seems to be so much energy spent on finding ways of selling them, that the actual gifting thing gets lost sometimes... good orgonite creates its' own attraction... if you have to push too hard you might want to look into what you are doing...

Chicago - we have been hoping for a gifting report from you... - out of your fifteen posts, thirteen are spent on bitching about Welz and that quickly becomes a boring read... We have not had many gifting reports from where you are and there would most likely be amazing shifts if some more time was spent on tuning in to the city and what it needs and then doing it...

One thing to never forget is that gifting tends to break up negative energy patterns... thinking that you have to peddle orgonite hard seems to be one of them... stops you from gifting and becomes a turnoff for the recipients... rather than an attraction...

By truly gifting from the heart you will always have your needs met...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've have gifted tons, always do, and I just made 100 minis to gift between now and the new year (as i metnitoned).
I'm not going to gift Prosperity Pyramids any more than I already do, which is a lot.
I made extras because they keep selling on Etsy, that's all. We make about 2-3 batches (of different ones) a month.
Here are the neighborhoods in Chicago i've hit so far,
Bucktown, East Wicker Park, South Harlem, South Loop, Northwest near Niles...
Also, that's the nice thing about gifting AND selling - I have no idea where else, but there's a lot out there all over the city. I was actually gonna do a map so i'll share that here when i hit some more places, but again, who knows, I can't keep em in stock at the one store i sell them in. I'd say we're well on our way to being pretty well covered.
(Also, there's a lot in Omaha Ne, some in Pasadena CA, and a nice big cone in the Integraton in Landers, CA by Joshua Tree)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i just joined here like last week, i'll get a proper report together and hit the proper thread in the next few days!
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