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Neo Starfire Angelis 2012
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:39 am    Post subject: Inventor of orgonite!!! Reply with quote

This guy claims he owns the right to orgonite!! Then goes on to claim that we are all idiots and have no clue on how to build or use these devices!!! He continually proves his own idiocy all throughout the rant. Anyone else heard of this guy?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would ask that one not be too judgmental of Karl Welz. We speak occasionally.
He did invent orgonite and copyright the name Orgonite and Orgone generator.

He prefers pulsed orgonite (like the nano shield ,powerwand and homeshield) for generating orgone fields. He purposely did not patent the invention, so that others could access the technology and so that he would not end up dead under mysterious circumstance, and all knowledge about orgonite with him.

At our last conversation he was developing aquaculture based uses, to improve growth rates for farmed fish and increasing the food supply.

Karl has indeed been ripped off horribly by people who had previously worked for him. All he ever asked from the gifting orgonite community was that his copyright not be violated or that he was given credit in the text where it was used. I certainly cannot fault him for protecting his copyright.

That is why the term "orgone transformer" and "orgone generating device" , not orgonite nor orgone generator is used on OrgoneCrystals.com. I am considering putting a disclaimer to credit him there. At this time, this issue does not apply to forums, but if that should change in the future, I will happily credit him here as well.

He even told me that one was welcome to change one letter and use the terms at will
for example Organite or Orgon- ite or even orgonites.

He is not the greedy, curmudgeon that some in the gifting community have made him out to be.

I found him to be gracious, thoughtful and willing to share ideas concerning this technology.

I hope that this clears up some of the confusion around Karl and this issue.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry didn't know he really had any claims to orgonite. I can admit when I am wrong. Sorry. Thanks for putting me straight Sensei. I just get tired of people claiming that they invented orgonite and saying that it's only junk science. I'm just a bit passionate about things.

Thanks and sorry again
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:40 am    Post subject: Confusion Cleared Reply with quote

Sensei wrote:

He even told me that one was welcome to change one letter and use the terms at will for example Organite or Orgon- ite or even orgonites.

He is not the greedy, curmudgeon that some in the gifting community have made him out to be.

I found him to be gracious, thoughtful and willing to share ideas concerning this technology.

I hope that this clears up some of the confusion around Karl and this issue.

Sєηѕєι


Thanks for the clarification surrounding the copyright of Mr. Karl Welz, Sensei! He really does sound like a `nice` guy. I just got so used to seeing the word `orgonite` - it comes across naturally. I don't like `organite` - it looks like innards. Orgon-ite looks choppy but orgonites will do just fine.

Oh, btw, must we be careful with the capitalization of certain aforementioned words here, too? Much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like 'organite' because it's easy to type and contains the word 'organ' which implies a connection to life.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reich coined the term orgone from the root ORGASM since it is the same type of energy present in sex. CHI.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its common for a strong name or brand to become representative for range of devices its related too.

In the UK 'Hoover' is a vacume cleaner brand. People say going to Hoover even when using a different brand of vacume.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should really get a good web designer, the pages look awful. But, yes, he is the inventor of orgonite, and so I thank him for that. To the OP, I can understand why you initially thought this; it looks really like a bit of a rip-off or scam, which it might not be at all (never ordered any there.)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Karl Hans Welz claims he invented orgonite!!! No eBay! Reply with quote

Yes. He is actualy having eBay cancel all my orgonite auctions as soon as I list them. He is claiming counterfeits and copyright violations. What the heck!?

Neo Starfire Angelis 2012 wrote:
This guy claims he owns the right to orgonite!! Then goes on to claim that we are all idiots and have no clue on how to build or use these devices!!! He continually proves his own idiocy all throughout the rant. Anyone else heard of this guy?

-Neo Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I was always a little curious about, is it true that Karl welz sometimes uses epoxy and fine or powdered metal mix for orgonite? Since he wasn't using crystals he had no need for shrinkage to squeeze a crystal. How is that much different than epoxy metal flake paint, first used widely in the 60's and 70 to paint hot rods, boats and motorcycles? He might have coined the term orgonite, but he is hardly the first to mix epoxy and metal together.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He builds stuff geared for zit faced virgin teenagers trying to manifest money or their first sexual experience. I think he could do better with his mixtures, or maybe he has. From what he mentioned about his early stuff I would say it should be dangerous DOR about now. His newer stuff might be better if he has kept his mind in the tech instead of just pumping out pucks for kids.

I can't say how he is doing now, just that I really did not like what he described as his early stuff.

I have been watching the kids buying up his stuff like candy, but do not see any of them getting laid any easier.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, i've been hit too now.
Seems my Prosperity Pyramids (citrine point and pyrite) have been removed from Etsy.
I got an email today saying they have been removed at the request of a representative of Mr. Welz for trademark infringement. I always heard it was the Crofts who "invented" it and actually this thread was the first I heard of Mr. Welz legal issues with the word.
Why wouldn't they just contact those of us first?
So it's easy to say "let's not go too hard on him" but that's what he's doing to us so I don't know what to do now, I'm sure my other listings are to be followed and possibly my website.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it really does seem he's trying to "corner the market" does it not? and i'd be careful about which "one letter" you chose to change! (Orgonita? Seriously?) from his site:

Orgone Generator®, Chi Generator®, Orgonite®, Orgonit™, Orgonita™, Power Radionics™, etc., are HSCTI trademarks.

DISCLAIMER

HSCTI sells the EPG and other devices exclusively for research. After extensive research and many positive results, some academic scientists have already acknowledged radionics and yet some didn’t. Therefore, acceptance of these concepts and the effectiveness of radionics devices is your personal decision. All references to radionics, life force, etc., in our brochures reflect opinions of users of the EPG and other devices from HSCTI, not the manufacturer. These devices have no therepeutic value at all and should never be used for such purposes. The use of the devices is the full responsibility of the purchaser.

Orgone Generator®, Chi Generator®, Prana Generator® and Orgonite® are trademarks owned by Karl Hans Welz, the inventor of these devices and the material, Orgonite®, which attracts and accumulates life force. Any person other than our distributors who uses those registered trademarks does so in blatant violation of the law.
It is up to you to use common sense and decide whether or not you trust such outfits and folks violating the law.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he has overly aggressive representatives?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little digging on the United States Patent and Trademark office also shows what else he has, which is strangely enough, until TODAY to respond to their 19 pages of reasons why he can't trademark Orgonite...
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn85551979&docId=OOA201206 12133948
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