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Discernment: Who do you trust?

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:59 pm    Post subject: Discernment: Who do you trust? Reply with quote

I first got into the truth movement by listening to Mike Ruppert, ok Mike is no good, Peak Oil is a fallacy moving on.....then I moved on to David Icke now I am reading that he is NWO, a them.... so does that discount all his info? I love posting to this group and learning about orgone, but I have spoken to someone that has tried to discredit this movement...

Who do you trust? I'm assuming that some one could initially be legit then compromised later on...

I'm trying to wrap my brain around this one...

Thoughts anyone? I'm thinking about doing a separate post listing folks and getting feedback on each one...
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also started out reading Mike Ruppert and David Icke. The discernment thing is kind of tricky. For me what really really points to the NWO types is the lack of solution. They have all the problems out there, but the more you read the more hopeless their writings are. What makes it particularly difficult is that there is always a lot of truth in their writings as well as their agenda.
I have found that with time spent studying these types certain things really begin to stand out and one of them is the sameness of what they have to say. It's like they're trying to drill something into your conciousness by repeating the same mantra over and over.

So basically for me, anyone who doesn't offer active advice and a real solution gets my thumbs down pretty quickly. I didn't however arrive at this overnight. Hope that helps. Also anyone who's against orgonite (specially if they haven't tried it), would make me suspicious.
So long and thanks for all the fish!
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funky Deva

There is something to every thing you learn. Like in the 60s, from buddha to wicca, from your past learning what churches taught, now with icke or those others just take what you need and dont be a follower, I found it helpful then to listen to D. Chopra, Carolyn Myss, and Norman Sheely, and even Wayne Dyer but never stick to one and close yourself in a box. Just keep learning and dont get stuck.

Cause if you see the buddha in the road, it aint the Buddha, so blast it.

I hope what came out of that is that every one has the power in them and not from an outside source.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all I know I've been programmed to see blue skies instead of white when I have orgonite around me. But since this seems like the only place that tells me to do something, and orgonite hasn't blown me up yet, I'll stick with this.

But if for some reason Orgonite is a trap you silly O'Briens have got me in, then you guys are the best.
Civilian Casualties / Collateral damage - Other countries kill their own citizens... America only damages them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't pay attention to anyone who sells information.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe nothing that you read and nothing that you hear, no matter who tells you, no matter if I tell you, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense. -Buddha
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to say happy mothers day. A day programmed to go spend with your family, right? Anyway, I packed up orgonite in planters and my whole family is getting them like it or not. It will be at outback. So get ready outback.

Cece, some people have to charge for information, cause it might be how they pay the rent. Some people may have gone to college and paid 20,000 and took 6 years of life for something then if no one will pay and everyone loves you when its free, what is that all about? Is trying to make a living then some vow of poverty?

I better go before I start boring people with my poems. can you tell, I really want to go be with my birth tribe. that I left, but still get pulled back into.

Pray, and yes, I pray, that the TBs awaken my birth family.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with PJ's comments. In my experiences and meanderings to find out what's real/truth, I have found that sooner or later it comes down to whether or not the information has an active solution, and the application thereof tends toward uplifting your current status in some way.

Another thought I had is that gaining wisdom, etc. is a lot like looking for gold. You can pan for it, dig for it, and more, but you have to go thru a lot of plain rock to do so. I have gotten some of my "gold nuggets" of understanding by wading thru the NWO disinfo-appearing-as-truth stuff [not knowing the difference until well into it] because, as someone pointed out earlier, sometimes you have to pull out what is good ("the truth") and discard the rest. THEY have to mix in correct ideas or truths in order to make the stuff more believable to the general public.

Remember, all it takes to veer someone off course is to give them one falsehood mixed in with a lot of truth. Then that person is more susceptible to further falsehoods/errors unless it's discovered. Fortunately we have discernment that can help us in a variety of ways, if we but listen. For myself, I have had many insights because of being able to discard the rocks, and keep the nuggets, but it can be dificult and time-consuming.

Of course it would be great if it wasn't so confusing to wade through this stuff -if it was just "easy" to "get it" - but compounding it is the fact that people come to it from all different directions and backgrounds. I guess for me what works is to try to remember that even if there is a "storm" going on with one's outside circumsytances, that if one can feel a sense of peace, love, of being centered/grounded, or something similar, then one can feel pretty sure about what side of the aisle you're on when it comes to discerning things.

Promotion of fear, anger, paralysis (as in being made to feel powerless to do anything about it), lack of solution, are some of the opposite ways whereby you get sucked in to their influences. My experience has been that one always needs to be vigilant. Many traps and snares have been placed out there to keep the people sleepy, compliant, complacent, and overall controllable.

Sometimes, even as recently as the past year, I have been surprised to learn that what I was "learning" in fact has turned out to be disinfo, truths twisted into lies, or even just plain time-wasting fluff. However, you just pick up and move on. For example, for me I had felt unsettled at the info presented by Icke, because the more I "learned" the more I became despondent, because what can you do with all that material? He presents no real workable solutions that are empowering, or make you feel like there is a difference being made. Decided that for myself this stuff was not helpful, and by that point in my "education" he was just filling in some details of stuff I already had come to learn and accept. BUT one of the things that happened was that I took a bit of info that he presented - a nugget - and researched it some more. THAT led to my discovery of E-Y.com, EW.com and subsequently here. So if one has the desire to learn what's right out there, I believe that you can do it, even if one has already been veered off course.

[Sorry for the philosophizing, hard to put all my thoughts together concisely with interuptions at work.]
~ Lou
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


If you start posting names and asking for feedback I will start deleting your posts. You only joined a few days ago and you already have a staggering number of posts under your belt.

Put the books down, start pouring and do some gifting. Working with orgonite will improve your discernment dramatically.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: discernment Reply with quote

I think boney is right, on this one, FD. (what else is new?)

While it's true that knowledge is power, too much can be paralyzing. Worry about improving your own little corner of the world. Who cares if Mike Ruppert is a spook. Who even cares if every third person is an interdimensional iguana? To me, it's not even relevant.

If you gift the bejeezus out of your home, and orgonize your immediate area, you'll see changes. You see changes in people's behavior, and certainly in the quality of the environment, overall. It's early evening in northern New Jersey, I'm looking out the window, and I'm still astonished that we have a perfect blue sky with white fluffy clouds and the greenery is beyond description. Come to think of it, there are finally kids outside playing again! It's been a while since I've seen that.

If you don't feel well, focus on getting better. If you need some help from the Big Guy, ask Him. If you need protection, just visualize it. Oh, and send love at eveyone and everything, indescriminately.

I used to be an information junkie when it came to the NWO, but now I don't really care who's in charge. I'm concerned with being in charge of my own world. I understand that the world is under control, but now I can see with my own eyes that their control is waining.

Don't be so conerned about who is in on the "conspiracy". Just turn off your TV, surround yourself and your immediate area with orgonite, sit back and watch the Matrix melt away. At least, that's what is working for me.


"I'll sleep when I'm dead."
- Warren Zevon (1947-2003)
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen, Mike! Well said.

BTW: are you gifting any of the towers along Route 78 or on the NJ Turnpike north of the Raritan?

There are so many nasties up there and I'm aware of some gifters north of me, but just don't know where they are hitting.

I travel north for work a lot, but am usually not alone, so gifting is not an option. But man, do I ever chomp at the bit when I drive through that area. So many freaking targets.

Please let me know either here or in a PM where you are gifting up there.

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