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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Earth Vortices: what direction Pos/Neg? Reply with quote

I have hesitated a long time before asking this question, because it is a "clockwise vs. counterclockwise" question.

Simple though it would seem, clockwise is clockwise like a screw. That part I get--it's clockwise no matter which way you look at it, the metal flange curls clockwise.

But when energy is coming out of the earth, it can move in a spiral too. And it can go up out of the earth as well as down into the earth. If you were above the energy you would call it either clockwise or counterclockwise depending on which way the energy was moving. But if you were below and looking up, you would call it the opposite. Know what I mean?

So, my two questions: when people refer to a "clockwise" vortex, do they mean as viewed from above or below? And which way is supposed to be "positive and healthy."

My apologies if this seems either naive or persnickity. It's both ;-)



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:38 pm    Post subject: Direction of Spin Reply with quote

I have often asked myself similar questions when visualizing chakras. The Sansrkit word chakra litterally means "wheel of light", and I've often wondered which direction they are spinning. I've read some material that suggests clockwise direction opens the chakras, and counter-clockwise closes them. The problem is that clockwise becomes counter-clockwise if you change your perspective by 180 degrees. So which way are they supposed to spin? Well, I have a few theories. First of all, chakras are 4rth dimensional in nature, meaning they are not subject to physical laws - they could be spinning in every direction simultaneously. The chakras are however connected with specific glands and organs in the body, therefor they have a basis in 3d reality. The most sense I have made out of this problem is as follows:

Imagine a human body viewed from the front with all 7 (or 13, depending if you count the "half-steps") chakras spinning. Imagine 2 planes of rotation for the chakras, one horizontal and one vertical. Imagine the chakras spinning clockwise on both axis lines, giving a spiral motion. While studying the spiral, I discovered that you can have 2 spirals going in opposite directions at the same time - one "male" and one "female". Now imagine a double helix superimposed over the body's midline. If the chakras were spinning along the helix's spirals, they would indeed have a motion as described above. Perhaps balancing these 2 spiral forces is the secret to opening the chakras

Now allow me to come back to the question at hand. Which direction is positive and healthy? Which one is negative and unhealthy? Let's go back to basic metaphysics - let's talk about the duality-based reality in which we exist. A lot of my knowledge comes from traditional Chinese medicine, which deals a lot with duality. Hot and cold, yin and yang, male and female. In Chinese medicine, it is the unbalance between these 2 forces that causes disease. Neither of the 2 forces can be labelled "good" or "bad", but when they are in different proportion to each other they can have different effects as a whole. In my opinion, it is the variance in the 2 forces that will determine the type of energy coming out of the earth. Ideally, a point that is balanced would provide the cleanest Qi.

Most likely I am adding more questions than answers to your post, but hopefully it will help us all in the end. Smile

I hope this helps,

- Dan
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is as follows, and I will try to be as precise as possible.

What I report here is not from a visual perspective, but from placing my mind within the vortex and letting it be carried by the flow.

First the vortices in the earth from which qi flows upward in the form of an inverted cone, with the radius of the flow growing larger and larger as the qi rises higher and higher: if the observer were lying on his back on the ground at the point of the cone, looking upward, the qi would appear to be moving clockwise. Conversely, if he were high in the heavens looking down, it would appear counter-clockwise.

Now the rotation of qi in the chakram near the solar plexus. If someone were standing in front of me, looking toward my solar plexus, the rotation would appear counter-clockwise.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I wrote of the vortex in the previous post, I was referring to a vortex which was "open" and in which was flowing positive qi.

Imagine a second cone embedded in the earth of which the point touches the surface of the earth, just where the point of the inverted cone in the air touches the earth. So one cone lies above the other. Not only does positive qi swirl up the inverted cone (counterclockwise viewed from above), but it swirls up along the surface of the cone within the earth (counter-clockwise again, viewed from above).

Thus the qi is continually rising from down in the earth to up in the heavens, but is compressed or condensed most right at the point where the two cones touch.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my (a non- energy sensitive) experience, Laozu is correct. When I got interested in energy (water, orgone, etc.) I experimented with a pendulum and different objects and the objects known to emit good energy (HHG's, POR side of SBB coils, left spun water) made the pendulum rotate CCW (from my perspective) whereas the objects known to emit bad energy (TV screens, microwaved food and water, right spun water, DOR side of SBB coils, etc.) make a pendulum rotate clock wise from my perspective.

That test works every time fo me and I'm glad that Laozu's observations corroborate mine.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kelly,

Would there be a link to mountains with a vortex and the size and shape of both vortex and mountain?

The elipitical hyperbola shape, the base in the mountain, middle is the top of the mountain then upward into the heavens?

I'll have to study Steptoe Butte since it's close. Guess I should be putting my mind in the ground also to see what's happening.

Near the stones on the ID, MT boarder the vortex is in a box canyon. I wonder if Qi can collect material or disperse leaving mountains or canyons? More questions.

When they are negative it's to painful to keep your mind looking at the edges or even stay in the area.

Ryan
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had some experience with spinning vortexes.

You might try this.

Stand straight with arms extended at your sides, palms facing down. Close your eyes. Breath slowly and evenly.

Spin slowly to the right, (clockwise if you are looking at the ground).

Do this about 5-10 spins. Notice how it feels energetically.

Then after centering and resting, try spinning the other way.

According to Tibetan metaphysicians, the clockwise spin helps one release negative energies from the aura.

I know how they make me feel.

I have always been taught that drawing a clockwise circle draws in and contracts energy in the direction of the drawing. A CC circle expands and releases.

This must be why I hate clocks. Just get sucked back into my contract with Old Father Time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Tibetan Clockwise Spin Reply with quote

Thanks for the insights Mark, you reminded me of another important question. I actually read this question in a book about Qi-Gong. Spinning clockwise is an exercise that is said to balance the root chakra, and is part of the "ancient secret of the fountain of youth"; the seven sacred tibetan exercises. The question in the book was about the magnetic reversals that occur on earth. Qi-Gong masters in China and Tibet are in the northern hemisphere, and the question is about whether or not you would have to spin the opposite way on the other hemisphere. Qi-Gong was developped over centuries by people who studied and observed Qi directly; they could see it.

So now, we have a piece of solid information to work with. Ancient Qi-Gong and Tibetan masters knew to spin clockwise to balance energy. What does this mean about the spin of earth vortices? I'm not sure yet, but there's been lots of great posts so far. One thing that we should consider is the idea of acupuncture points applied to the earth. If earth vortices and ley lines are the macrocosm of acupuncture points and meridians, certain comparsions can be made. For one, acupuncture points don't have "good" and "bad" points. Points and channels can lack energy, have too much energy, or have an imbalance in the yin and yang of the energy. There are 6 yin meridians on the body and 6 yang meridians to make a total of 12. The earth's energy structure is more complex, but we should consider all of this to understand the dynamics of earth Vortices.

I hope this helps.

- Dan
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I practice the 5 Tibetan Rites.

That is where I got the idea.

I have been told by those who promote the rites, that those in the southern hemi should spin CC-wise.

It seems that spinning clockwise in the North would channel and concentrate Heavenly Qi through the crown, downward through the chakras toward the root, converting any Dor to Por on its way.

It seems that depending on what point of the earth one stands upon would determine what type of spin the earth to heaven vortex has which is opposing this activity, either facilitating the energy to ground, or impeding it's motion.

I feel the spinning draws in and condenses my etheric body.

I will strive to be more aware of the other relation to the earth.

Thanks for the insight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would there be a link to mountains with a vortex and the size and shape of both vortex and mountain?

Good question Ryan. I'm looking at the vortex in Moscow Mountain as I write this, and there seems to be some relation to the form of the vortex and that of the mounttain. The vortex is much more symmetric about its vertical axis though. And there are some vortices (albeit only a small percentage) which surface on the flat instead of at high places.

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The elipitical hyperbola shape, the base in the mountain, middle is the top of the mountain then upward into the heavens?

For those who never studied solid geometry in school, an elliptic hyperboloid is similar to the shape of an hour glass which extends far up and far down. And I believe Ryan is correct in that this more accurately discribes the shape of a vortex than one inverted cone sitting on top of a regular cone.

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Near the stones on the ID, MT boarder the vortex is in a box canyon. I wonder if Qi can collect material or disperse leaving mountains or canyons?
Are you suggesting that the vortices came prior to the formation of the present earth's surface, and to some extent influenced its formation?

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If earth vortices and ley lines are the macrocosm of acupuncture points and meridians, certain comparsions can be made. (from Ashtar 5)

I seem to recall than the majority of the strong acupuncture points lie on the meridians. I am not at all sure that strong earth vortices are usually on ley lines. There is something to the analogy, I believe, but it is not an exact one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If earth vortices and ley lines are the macrocosm of acupuncture points and meridians, certain comparsions can be made. (from Ashtar 5)

I seem to recall than the majority of the strong acupuncture points lie on the meridians. I am not at all sure that strong earth vortices are usually on ley lines. There is something to the analogy, I believe, but it is not an exact one.


Laozu, I'd like very much to know about this one.
I keep saying (and writing) that vortices are on ley lines as it seemed to me logical and I did the same parallel then Ashtar...

Thank you in advance,

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ma-Ra, this is based only on my experience with the vortices I have sought out hereabouts, not on theory or reasoning.

I must admit that I have not looked specifically for ley lines at those vortices but, if they were present, they were not strong enough to jump out at one.

It may be that the vortices of you speak are of another character than the ones to which I refer.

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My friend Hans, who lives in Switzerland, sent me a map of "Orte der Kraft" (places of power) in Switerland, and there was one called 408 a little southwest of Zurich, which was reputed to be the strongest in your country. Do you know anything about 408?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 80 to 90 percent of the vortices I have visited are at, or near, the highest places in the immediate area in which they are located. This is not true of the intersections of ley lines.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Laotsu,

I'm not questionning your statement at all, on the contrary - as you see vortices and much more and I don't (though I might feel a vortex). I should have add to my question: "If you have the opportunity to look at this particular issue...". ('have written too fast, sorry).

Except for the shape, the Human physical body looks very much like our planet and react in many ways like Her (and this is from my experience and practice). Earth ley lines are like our nadis and, to now, I believed that any physical vortex had to be linked in a way or another to a net of ley lines.

But after reading you, I understand that some vortices might not be linked - and this, I didn't know. So, you're right: we were not speaking about the same thing.

I don't know anything about 408 as Zurich is in the German part of Switzerland and I'm focusing on the French part only (still a lot to do there and it goes slowly). I've heard about a Swiss geobiologue who works on Power Points and I intend to contact him when the time is right...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Ley Line Crossing Points Reply with quote

This question is For Laozu,

I'm interested in learning more about vortices that are not at the intersection of ley lines. Any info you could forward would be greatly appreciated. Earth energy grid theory is something I'm really getting into, and so far all the grid systems I'm studied involve the vortex points being at intersections. I'm open to all possibilities however. Check out my site, http://www.refugeofthedamned.com , if you browse through the broken links you'll find a few articles I already posted.

Just call me the grid man. I've been chasing grids for years, am only now starting to make something of it Smile

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