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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. So many people replied to my post n i didn't know bc for some reason I do not get email notifications when someone relies to a post I made or replies to a reply. I have practically begged Sensei or any moderator to help me fix this problem bc it is very hard to make use of a board when you are not notified about replies. If any mod is reading this, PLEASE HELP.
Thank you all for replying and pls excuse me for not reading all this before now and replying. I am trying to assist someone to build a cb n she is buying crystals this wknd n i need to tell her not to buy cheap rose quartz like I did, n why...
I suggested she buy crystals from orgonecrystals.com bc it's hard to find better prices (plus support the site, woo woo, but mainly bc the prices are great), but she is some kind of crystal expert that made a living selling stones n crystals at one point in her life while travelling the world...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the longest time when I was trying to learn I thought I couldn't use rose quartz bc Ruth said to me,

"You can use clear quartz crystal in pretty much any form, whole, broken, or tumbled chips. You can substitute smokey quartz, citrine, or amethyst. Rose quartz in any form you can afford will not work, Most rose quartz does not have the internal crystaline structure needed. Rose quartz in crystal form is rare and very expensive."

I just want to briefly say, begging your pardon, Ruth, but that's not true, bc ALL crystals are piezoelectric. The only reason you would want to use quartz is if you wanted to tune it to a specific frequency like for a crystal radio bc quartz has a particularly stable structure for intentionally oscillating using current to create rf & bc quartz lacks impurities some of the 5 other 'crystal families' have, but for example, an emerald IS a (beryl) crystal and it IS piezoelectric, & I WOULDN'T kick an emerald-powered piece of gold'n silver'n copper'n tin orgonite outta bed, it would be desirable i tell you, & can I get a dash of lead, steel, & pyrite as well, hold the AL, pls? The difference between quartz and an emerald is yes a different crystalline structure but more importantly it is the impurities in the emerald that make it more valuable than quartz.

ALL crystals are BOTH piezoelectric AND pyroelectric.

Here is the Wikipedia link explaining how in 'crystallography' their are 6 crystal families:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_system

Here is a link explaining the only good reason why we might limit ourselves specifically to quartz crystals in order to create the piezoelectric effect; furthermore, I suspect each type of crystal imparts a different 'vibe' to orgonite we ought to explore...

http://www.whalemedical.com/cs2.html
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rose quartz is not usually crystaline. Usually it's found in bulk masses. if you find actual rose quartz crystals it would certainly work as the primary crystal, but as I mentioned Rose quartz crystals are extremely rare and very valuable. Used as a secondary additive it's great Very Happy

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Pictures didn't copy. Here's a link: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Rose+quartz+crystals%22&tbm=isch&im gil=zVlvbpcOKM4c9M%253A%253BJCwqBN7XqSN43M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%2525 2Fwww.johnbetts-fineminerals.com%25252Fjhbnyc%25252Fmineralmuseum%2525 2Fpicshow.php%25253Fid%2525253D46222&source=iu&pf=m&fir=zVlvbpcOKM4c9M %253A%252CJCwqBN7XqSN43M%252C_&usg=__sf_OmR67wQVdqUO5InsQQjPMvok%3D&bi w=1252&bih=576&ved=0ahUKEwi2quDX4dPSAhVB-WMKHVcsD8wQyjcImwE&ei=SbbGWPb hEsHyjwPX2LzgDA#imgrc=zVlvbpcOKM4c9M:

"Rose quartz crystals are uncommon and occur at only a handful of localities worldwide."

Museum > Minerals from Brazil > Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals

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Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals from Lavra da Ilha, Taquaral, Jequitinhonha River, Minas Gerais, Brazil

Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals from Lavra da Ilha, Taquaral, Jequitinhonha River, Minas Gerais, Brazil

Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals from Lavra da Ilha, Taquaral, Jequitinhonha River, Minas Gerais, Brazil

Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals from Lavra da Ilha, Taquaral, Jequitinhonha River, Minas Gerais, Brazil

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Mineral: Quartz var. Rose Quartz Crystals
Locality: Lavra da Ilha, Taquaral, Jequitinhonha River, Minas Gerais, Brazil
Description: Sparkling cluster of lustrous translucent-to-transparent pink rose quartz crystals in a spray-shaped formation with deep pink color. Rose quartz crystals are uncommon and occur at only a handful of localities worldwide. Ex. Bob Holzer (1934-2009) collection
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the reply Ruth, & i hate to disagree w/ you, but i still just don't understand. When is rose quartz not quartz, & if it's not quartz, then WHAT is it?

Can you pls give me an example of a rose quartz that isn't authentic? For example, here's all the rose quartz on ebay- how can I tell which ones are real quartz, & why does it matter so long as it's a crystal?

I am pretty sure ALL crystals are piezoelectric- not just quartz. ALL CRYSTALS ARE PIEZOELECTRIC.

These ebay sellers say they are selling rose quartz, but if it's not quartz, then WHAT is it?

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/rose-quartz
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do understand that all quartz does not come in crystal form? All silica is not crystaline silica? Chemical composition (silica) is not the same as physical structure (crystal form)? Just as clear quartz can be formed as a mass or can grow as a crystal, so can rose quartz. The crystal structure is needed to reorganize the orgone field

Google "pictures of rose quartz" And "pictures of rose quartz crystals" to see the difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are saying that all quartz is not crystalline? No, Ruth, I didn't know that; can you please provide a link that definitively states that some quartz isn't crystalline? You are a mod here, & I am sorry to disagree with you, but ALL QUARTZ IS CRYSTALLINE. Quartz is silicon dioxide, & rose quartz is silicone dioxide with a little titanium in it to give it color.

But that's not even the point. The crystals powering orgonite doesn't have to be quartz bc ALL CRYSTALS ARE PIEZOELECTRIC.

At least MOST crystals are piezoelectric. I was unable to goggle a definitive answer if ALL crystals are piezoelectric, but certainly quartz is not the only crystal suitable for orgonite, altho it is likely the best bang for the price / weight.

Quartz is only necessary to use for radios or lasers when it is critical to be able to modulate a frequency with stability and tune into something with the utmost precision; that is not what we do with orgonite, so almost any crystal will work.

I am on a trip now, but when I get home I will do more tests with my oscilloscope using crystals other than quartz and I bet you I still get voltage. I can get a measurement for much smaller quantities of orgonite, to test for voltage, if I use a copper wire instead of copper pipes. It is much easier to get a voltage reading from orgonite attaching the oscilloscope leads to the bare lead from an insulated copper wire sunk into the tb during the pour than it would be to test w/ copper pipes. To get a reading from copper pipes using a 2k oscilloscope, you need a HUGE piece of orgonite, but for testing if you use a copper wire instead it's easy. I haven't actually done it yet bc ive been busy, but I'm positive an oscilloscope will pick up copper wires better than copper pipes.

Anybody want to bet me some orgonite or whatever that I can't get a positive voltage reading from a tb containing no quartz- only black tourmaline or rose quartz w/ five ounces of aluminum,copper, n lead?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rose quartz comes in crystalline, microcrystalline and amorphous (non crystalline ) forms. Most use it as an addition rather than the main crystal drivers in orgonite. Most commercial rose quartz is amorphous (and usually what you see shaped and polished), the crystalline form has a distinctly "crystal looking" appearance.

Black tourmaline is piezo electric and I often add it to pieces that will be in high EMF (or high negativity) area in addition to quartz.

Orgonite made with amorphous rose quartz feels decidedly sluggish, lacking that crispy feeling that is usually present. The point of orgonite is not to generate a measurable electrical signature and with some hands on practice you will come to judge your orgonite's effectiveness by feel and your body's innate energy sensitivities.

Many new orgonite makers read a write up several places on the internet of rose quartz's purported properties ( especially around love and emotional issues), see it is quartz and expect those supposed properties to be magically manifested by it's substitution in place of regular quartz crystal in orgonite.

This is a common milepost in an orgonite maker's journey. I suggest that you make two tower buster sized pieces of orgonite. One with quartz crystal and one with rose quartz to compare before committing to a large piece without quartz crystal.

Building simple orgonite devices to start with will give you a basis of comparison to devices with different additives.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, ok thank you Sensei for making a couple of points that I needed to hear; firstly, amorphous quartz. That's not something I had ever heard of but now i know when molten silicon dioxide SiO2 is rapidly cooled, it does not crystallize but solidifies as a glass.

I was not aware of this point. I bought some cheap glassy looking black tourmaline on ebay n I'll bet that's exactly what it is.I will have to test it to see if I can get any voltage out of it to know if it is crystalline or a glass paperweight. So glad to finally know that. Thank you for clearing that up, sir.

The second point you made was that '. The point of orgonite is not to generate a measurable electrical signature and with some hands on practice you will come to judge your orgonite's effectiveness by feel and your body's innate energy sensitivities. '

Yea I knew that but I needed to hear it again. I am only now getting to where I can more often pick up sensations and vibes coming off the orgonite. I need to do more small tests with just single types of crystals & metals to try to measure the vibe. At this rate I'll be dowsing with pendulums by the end of the year.

Of course clear natural quartz will always be the mainstay capacitator ingredient, but I am interested in seeing what kind of vibe I can get using all the other crystals too. I read somewhere that 22 of the 32 different crystal families are piezoelectric, so most of'em should contribute energy to the matrix. Prob using a 1:1 ratio of quartz : different piezo crystal would give a nice flavor to the vibe whilst not losing the punch one gets from quartz.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The glassy black tourmaline is likely real. That is the way it looks.

I have seen amorphous milky quartz, naturally white, pressure treated with dye to look a beautiful pink. color and sold as rose quartz.

Confidence in one's natural energetic sensitivity comes with practice, experience and time. All variable.

One's first energetic sensing of orgonite usually comes from the first piece that you put in your bedroom. Spending the night buzzing instead of sleeping is a strong persuader.

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