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Pafipe
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the way, YOU are the arbiter of what might be considered an appropriate additive to orgonite.


Thank you! You hit the nail right on the head.

The problem of idle speculation and time wasting threads ,in my opinion, is a vicious circle of self feeding idleness and a lack of trust in the ability of orgonite to do it's work regarless of who makes it or toss it.

I mean, isn't it easier to ad a few drops of oil ,or leaves or endometrium, etc, to one or more orgonite devices and observe any effects, than waste time and space just asking and answering and sticking to points and counterpoints many of which haven't even been put throgh praxis?

Every time I see one of those question posts I read it with the hope that the poster has already done some two weeks of testing at least. But that hasn't happened yet.

I understand that any one might want to start some thing based on already proven methos and procedures but that's not the right way to go about it. The correct way is to discard as many unworkable ways as posible until one or more workable ways are found and then you introduce what you've done and your (good) results to your peers. Only then is it appropriate to ask if anyone else is doing that type of work and if it's ok to compare notes, join forces, etc.

The net result of this approach is that no time/space is wasted talking about it which is a win in itself.

I propose that no ideas be posted for discussion before two weeks of testing and positive results have been achieved.

Pedro
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedro and those that agree: Wonderfully inspired ideas are a dime a dozen. The problem, of course, is that most people would rather spend that dime sticking it into a gum-ball machine, especially if they can get the purple one. In other words, we're never going to live in a perfect world. We can't change people and expect them to be our idea of perfect. The question is how are you going to be able to live with them.

I have a perfectly dirty hairy approach to making field orgonite just like everyone is saying everyone should. You can even read about it here if you want. So I've been rolling my eyes all this time as everyone harps about making field orgonite when that's what I'm already doing and even written a page about it on my website (linked in my profile no less). I suspect other people are probably already doing that as well.

I know all about bare-orgonite being wonderful as-is and it will continue to be the basis for my gifting efforts. However, in addition to that, some people are interested in improving their productions for home use and do not have the energy sensitivity that some people are blessed with. Despite my other sensitivity, when it comes to orgonite, all I can do is put a load of it under my bed and have a really relaxed sleep sometimes. Not exactly something I can read like a meter.

In a web forum dedicated to constructing and discussing orgonite, why suddenly this idea that we should keep our mouths shut about it? It seems to me that the questions presented in the beginnings of this thread have reminded those who were working on that very thing to post this other thread which has gone on to provide very useful information and answers. Meanwhile, this thread has degenerated into "put up and shutup" posts.

Well, I for one am glad that I wasn't bullied into not discussing orgonite and I'm excited to have gotten my answers despite the bad signal to noise ratio.


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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response, Brian.

Definetely the other side of the coin and worth exploring.

My assumption is that every one in this board makes orgonite the proven way. And I think that makes it easy to implement and test ideas by applying them to some of the devices we make before introducing such devices to the group.

In your website you have instructions on how to make the tried and true 3oz. TB. I'm (almost) sure that's the way we all make TB's. Morover the reason the 3oz. TB is tried and true is because a lot of folks have made them and gifted them and gotten the requisite confirmations. But before its introduction Croft tested them for a lenght of time until he got his own requisite confirmations.

I'm not the "put up or shut up" type but I understand that this, being a warrior board, requires a level of discipline and action orientation on the part of the members, the minimum of which (IMO) should be some testing of new devices/additives before introduction to the board.

This is necessary as the only way (I'm aware of) of successfully standing up to the "unproven claim" catch-22. Think about it.

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In a web forum dedicated to constructing and discussing orgonite, why suddenly this idea that we should keep our mouths shut about it? It seems to me that the questions presented in the beginnings of this thread have reminded those who were working on that very thing to post this other thread which has gone on to provide very useful information and answers.


The short answer is focus. I think that the canning of the discussions during testing and the testing until satisfactory results were achieved provided (besides a distraction free investigation period) a frame of reference in case the discussions would arise anew.

I'll grant you that declaring subjects as taboo can hinder some development. For example, while most partiicipants in the antahkarana thread saw it as a symbol of the dark side or a swastika look alike I saw it as the perfect frame for Ma-Ra's 3+1. I've made a few and it seems to be giving good results; but more testing is in order.

I also have water that hasn't lost it's charge and has kept its strenght for almost nine months and is really cheap to make. I posted about it in the thread at: http://warriormatrix.com/viewtopic.php?t=706

Any way, the only objective confirmations of the effectiveness of a device is if others get similar results from its use and before attempting to get that confirmation individual confirmation should be established.

Pedro
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Pedro. FWIW, I agree fully with the idea that this is not a place for unrestrained idle speculation. I certainly don't, and I hope no one will, want to waste people's time in an area that is so vital to humanity's future. But at the same time, I'd like to ask that people consider that small ideas can often lead to great revelations that may have not of otherwise been ignited. So I only mean to caution but a little against the idea of "no talk until you've done the walk" only to the effect that "no talk at all" can be just as bad. However, naturally there must at all times be a subtle balance maintained and too much "talk without walk" will kill the show very quickly. I understand that and I'll remember to keep vigilant in my mind the awareness of this.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks,

Glad to see this type of discussion. If people can come to consensus regarding a standard, and broadcast it as such, then there is less room for problems.

If a person says they have tested and found a result in an invention, unless their are standards in place which their process and result can be judged by, the only way to know if their invention really works is to try it oneself.

Barring these 2 scenarios there is no real justification for commenting upon a persons claims. Although it makes for a good quarrel.

Mark
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