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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Working with 'unknown' energy. Library of Occult Knowledge Reply with quote

Has anyone else here seen or read through this?

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/

I think it's got a lot of useful information, but it doesn't seem complete.

Hope it's helpful.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post happened to catch me in the middle of making a sigil to come to the aid of a dear friend whose small business is falling apart after 20 years. The visual sigil is a photo of her copied into Microsoft Publisher with some special words of encouragement printed over the photo. It is then folded up and placed in a special small box which sits in the middle of a mirror underneath a garnet sandpaper covered pyramid I made about 10 years ago for this sort of thing. Topping it off is a mobiused orgonite cylinder which pipes down to the little box inside the pyramid. On top of the pipe is a rose girasol sphere to broadcast the wish outwards in all directions. The coil is driven by a stimulator.

This is about the extent to which I use what might be called "magick." It is just an adaptation of things I work with daily and for which I have identity. I rarely engage in formal magic, but this is an emergency,and I feel it requires a special effort on my part. Otherwise, I am not drawn much to magical rites because I am afraid I may not have the maturity to deal with things accidentally uncovered and brought to being on this plane. If I can bring the positive then I will try, but as for getting involved in elaborate journeys into the fate of other lives I am not inclined that way.

There was a great episode of "The Haunted" on Animal Planet last night . It was a repeat I have seen 3 times now and still find if fascinating especially the aspect of mirrors and how spirits can use mirrors to move between dimensions. This haunted home in New Orleans had been owned previously by a very serious black cult who had left a lot of serious stain on the home and who had actually summoned spirits into the home via mirrors and then covered all the mirrors so they could not "go back to where they came from." There was a fascinating scene of cleansing during which the big mirrors held in the hands of participants could be seen to shake and vibrate as the spirits finally made their getaway from their long bondage in the home.
Just from what I have seen on the better ghosty shows on TV lately it may be quite easy to start out innocently practicing magic and to find yourself in a bad predicament.

"The Haunted's" Youtube page"
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+haunted+%2B+animal+pla net&suggested_categories=28%2C24&page=1








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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I may be an enchanter, of sorts. I especially like focusing energy from my hands into orgonite pieces while I let them cure. Strength, protection, healing, prosperity, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most everyone who gets involved with orgonite becomes an "enchanter." It goes with the territory. There is the "orgonite charisma" we talk about sometimes.
Fortunately, orgonite is so positive that I doubt it can be used much for dark or nefarious purposes. Maybe I am wrong there. It is just an impression I get from having worked with it for awhile now. No doubt there have been numerous attempts to use its energy as an adjunct to dark magic, but I wonder how successful that has been. Not much would be my guess. Perhaps some of you out there have some stories to tell about this.
I was alarmed to read on Karl Welz' site that he was enthusiastic for using small animal sacrifice:

http://www.magitech.com/

So, there is undoubtedly a community of people who use orgonite and Santaria like practices together. That is maybe something I don't want to know anything about. It feels like a misuse of the energy. Maybe I am misusing it too with my little pyramid and cylinder above.
The only other time I used an intent ritual the results were amazing, but they were used for a friend (actually the same person to whom the pyramid above is directed) but the success had a taste about it of something I did not want to do more of because I did not really understand how it happened - what was the mechanism and did I actually l have mature control over it, or did I just get lucky that time and could have just as easily have misused it the next.
We are all using "intent" in our daily lives from one moment to the next - attempting to steer life in a direction that "works" for us, and we are all unavoidably selfish about it too, so maybe we are constantly practicing a sort of "magic lite" anyway. Bringing orgone energy into the equation is probably something we have been doing already, but just speaking for myself I am always doubting the sincerity of my motives to be working for the greater good, so I am more inclined to just keep it to "gifting' and letting the gifted pieces do what they are going to do without much further interference from me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast majority of my "magic" usage in my life has been what this author refers to as 'celestial magic' .. which most people know as prayer to God. Instead of taking energy and focusing it on a specific "spell" and aim it at some specific thing.. I call on God to work on the things I know nothing of. It's a lot more likely to reach the desired result, since with my limited knowledge I don't know exactly what needs to be done. I rely on someone else who knows much more than I do (in my case, God) ..

The second most common "magic" I use is very similar, but it is what is considered "white magic" .. usually involving protection or healing, using what I would call white or life energy (which I think orgonite attracts a lot of) .. it's basically what I *think* God would do, without actually relying on a 3rd party intelligence to direct the "spell" ..

It's like this, I started with "celestial magic" and a lot of prayer, and I kept getting something similar to the message "you can do that" .. so I started taking control myself in certain areas (always trying to make sure it was the right thing to do) ..

A few years later in my life I started having out of body (astral) experiences, at first they were very frightening.. like evil spirits/demons and such.. but it helped me figure out what areas needed cleansing. After getting into orgonite and abstaining from fluoride (and decalcifying my pineal gland) .. I started having much more frequent 'astral' experiences. Which, according to this link, is the primary energy source for 'wizardry' .. something I want to explore a bit more (running test scenarios in the astral, and making minute, yet exponentially effective, changes)

Sounds like the black cult you mentioned earlier that used mirrors to summon spirits were using some sort of dark energy and summoning 'caste' type of spells.

Of course, after making orgonite.. and even prior, I've felt a massive flow of energy through my hands.. I think it's similar to the metaphysical Fire (Strength, healing, cleansing) element mentioned in the Library for enchanters.. but the Orgonite seems to have Air properties as well (Invisibility, protection, etc) .. It's as if dark occultists can't see me or focus on me. I feel bold and protected, even if I were to be in the midst of several.. it's neat.

I know people who fit into the necromancer type, who get their energy from death and graveyards and funeral homes and such.. and they're not "evil" people, persay (at least the ones I know) .. but death energy seems to follow them around, and it shows .. even in their poor health. Definitely not something I would want to thrive on, personally. They may have good intentions, for example.. but even then, someone is going to get harmed in the process.

.. I know I'm rambling about things I know little of.. but I also wanted to point out that it's almost as if my entire family has a bit of druid in them.. we all seem to get energy from nature and weather, plants and animals.. and have a deep connection to them. I haven't done any 'rituals' .. about the most 'ritual' I've done, actually has been orgonite construction. I have, though, used oils (trying to follow a Biblical pattern, oil and laying on of hands for healing) and walking around a property (another thing I got from the Bible, but makes me think of druid and 'white mage' now..)

Now that I think about it, I've been trying to cleanse this area for a long time.. but I live with a very, very, very negative person.. not sure if they're necromancer or black mage or just a nasty psychic vampire or what.. but it's rough to make a sanctuary or cleansed area here.. and I've been working on this for years.. various methods from prayer to 'area of effect' energy focus .. to orgonite construction and placement. It has gotten 'lighter' .. but it's still no sanctuary. Even, as my friends would say, "in the natural" this place is cluttered with a compulsive hoarder trashing the place all the time (the one thing I want the most.. is a clean and non-chaotic place that is pro-life and not pro-death) .. there are close to a hundred prescription medications in this house for the two other people who live here (despite my attempts to rid them of the need, and teach them to live healthier) , most of the food is nasty and bad (even though it's processed food) .. this person sprays RAID obsessively and doesn't allow ventilation due to "allergies" .. so no lifeforms or plants are welcome here.. and the only thing I ever see them do is obsess over death.. the tv in the living room is like a gateway to hell.. it's just not a good place for life, period. And sorry to them, but I'm not going to put up with it much longer.. they resist all my efforts to help them, and perhaps I am "forcing" my will upon them for health and peace.. when what they really crave and thrive on is sickness, poison, suffering, and death.

Fortunately, I'm soon going to be leaving this place and seeking a more peaceful location to call home. It's only logical. I don't want to die here, after all.

Thanks for allowing me to ramble and rant a bit.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My god, get out of that place. Some places are just too screwed up to live in. It doesn't matter what steps you take to clean the energy. What you do makes a difference but not nearly enough and it takes you down with it. That image of spraying "Raid" all over the place - man that gave me the heebie jeebies. When we had a big party fror some visiting foreign students lastr week our dinner bell had some red wasps inside it. I had to hit them with that long distance wasp spray. They were flying out of that bell and stinging people at the party. Just a few whiffs of that stuff gave me the heebie jeebies. I can't imagine spraying that crap all over the inside of the house. That reminds me of my childhood in the 1950's in the South. Lots of bugs and people just spraying crap all over the place all the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the first things I did when I got a camera, was take pictures of some of the reasons why I'm moving.. Very Happy

http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/66722244@N04/

It's not the 'MOST' horrible place, but it's definitely not good for me or anyone else to live in this.

I'm looking forward to having my own place soon.

Clean, neat, structured, efficient.. chemical-free, RAID-free, healthy lifestyle, etc.

Keep in mind I'm a raw vegan also.

I have to hide the toothbrushes I use, because they frequently get sprayed with RAID if I don't.. same goes for my food, I have to hide it under my bed, there isn't room for it anywhere in the kitchen, and it would just get sprayed (directly) with RAID if it were in there. She's sprayed my food while I was eating it, before. I think she's losing her mind due to all the Diet Coke she drinks and has drank for years. Surprised

I came here to help her out, but she won't listen to anything that'd be good for her, and there's simply no room for me here. Fortunately, I've got a very good job right now and I'm getting a $1,500+ check friday and I usually make about that much in a month.. enough to move out on.. which I'm doing within the next few weeks..

Did some cleaning up while she was gone yesterday.. threw out a bunch of empty boxes, broken things, torn up newspapers, and expired coupons that were trashing out my bedroom floor... and I took out maybe 1/3rd of the clothes she has in 'my' closet and put them with her other clothes (which are in every room and closet of the house) .. it drives me crazy living here.. so.. irrational.. there's no reason, defies all logic.. a true mental illness if I ever knew one.

And yes, I'm moving out.. k? She probably wants to fill what little space I'm crammed into up anyway. That's what happens when I try to clean out space, it fills right back up. So I'm packing up my things and preparing to leave here. Things are worse than they may first appear, I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what negative energies exist here (where it should be positive, light, peaceful.. well, you can see for yourself) this is just a glimpse. I've been fighting to bring harmony here for a long time, and now that I see that I'm the only one doing this..

Matthew 10:13

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, you're going to feel great once you have a better place Cool

That was an interesting challenge but I think you can do better now... LOL

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Raid Hoarder. That is a first for me.
I love some of the stories that land here on the forum. Some of these life situations just cry out for something like orgonite. There is also at least one good movie script per month on this forum.
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I'm glad I found out about Orgonite when I did.. Very Happy

For me, this year has been all about growth, improvement, etc.

You should have seen where I was last year. Believe it or not, this place is a step up from that.

I've been in some low, low places already in my life.. things are on a steady rise up from that, thank God Very Happy

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You have been in some "character building" places. i was in a few of those myself in the old days.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to need to find a skilled healer to fix all these wounds I've gotten in the process of my life.

And then avoid people and places that wound me. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emlong wrote:
Most everyone who gets involved with orgonite becomes an "enchanter." It goes with the territory. There is the "orgonite charisma" we talk about sometimes.
Fortunately, orgonite is so positive that I doubt it can be used much for dark or nefarious purposes. Maybe I am wrong there. It is just an impression I get from having worked with it for awhile now. No doubt there have been numerous attempts to use its energy as an adjunct to dark magic, but I wonder how successful that has been. Not much would be my guess. Perhaps some of you out there have some stories to tell about this.
I was alarmed to read on Karl Welz' site that he was enthusiastic for using small animal sacrifice:

http://www.magitech.com/

So, there is undoubtedly a community of people who use orgonite and Santaria like practices together. That is maybe something I don't want to know anything about. It feels like a misuse of the energy. Maybe I am misusing it too with my little pyramid and cylinder above.
The only other time I used an intent ritual the results were amazing, but they were used for a friend (actually the same person to whom the pyramid above is directed) but the success had a taste about it of something I did not want to do more of because I did not really understand how it happened - what was the mechanism and did I actually l have mature control over it, or did I just get lucky that time and could have just as easily have misused it the next.
We are all using "intent" in our daily lives from one moment to the next - attempting to steer life in a direction that "works" for us, and we are all unavoidably selfish about it too, so maybe we are constantly practicing a sort of "magic lite" anyway. Bringing orgone energy into the equation is probably something we have been doing already, but just speaking for myself I am always doubting the sincerity of my motives to be working for the greater good, so I am more inclined to just keep it to "gifting' and letting the gifted pieces do what they are going to do without much further interference from me.



I'm not here posting to bash anyone or the orgonite community about anything I'm about to write, because I know my issues are my issues. Therefore, I tend to wonder whether I'm working for the right side or not, sometimes. Whether gifting, not to say that it was the elite's "master plan" or something to cake into being the gifting movement, [typo on cake instead of make, but that sounds like a good word for it! Smile ], but being not as informed as I would like and need to be about the the occult sciences and its own history in general, gives someone fear of the unknown. and ignorance is not bliss, now, it it...? I do know, or at least half know that this world is corrupt by what I like to call "evil magicians". And I like to stick to the truth of things, even though it is really fun reading about reptilians, aliens, the chupacabra and who knows what other stories are out there, be they delusions or reality. So, having said that vigorously, I also say that I like orgonite, and Por feels pleasant, Dor does not! Wink Many people have gone to New age or other pagan religions because they felt like they belonged there better, not always for the better though. I think you in a way can mess yourself up with orgonite and I'll tell you with good reason; here's why:

If you live in a negative environment, and have orgonite, "orgonite's gonna orgonite" and attract hazardous energy towards it so it can be transmuted. According to the Kybalion (wow, now I'm getting sophisticated here Smile), it states that the alchemist's greatest weapon is transmutation. Essentially then, Orgonite is a radionics tool that works like alchemy, in my humble and ignorant (of alchemy) opinion. There are different kinds of pagans out there with different ways of working or messing with the Creator's universe, imho. I've suspected that magic is life force, but there's more forces in this Universe than just that, or in the next, but I'm not an expert at that kind of stuff, still please bear with me people... and essentially that is how the Universe is. Here's an awesome website I found the other week: [color=darkred]astralhealer.com scroll her pages especially on astral magic.
What does this, then make us gifters? lightworkers, because they contribute to the goodwill of their fellow man through being being spiritual in their own way, as a lightworker herself told me? Or modern wizards of the world? Itall depends on how you see it in the end, I guess *sigh*. I feel there should be a sticky or some disclaimer on the identity of the orgonite movement, partly because of its occult influences and "pagan" workings, and so newcomers may understand without total ignorance or disbelief in the spiritual be affected in a way that won't mess with their "dharma" or "free will" in some way that they would later not regret having read, (but wouldn't we all...). Well, that's all I have to say about that, I think I'm going to copy and paste this response to a full thread. Peace be with you all. Mr. Green
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When I gift there is no sense of the Pagan or New Age about it - not for me anyway. Orgone energy is almost without content. It is "pure." I do not find it to be saddled with previous conceptions and misconceptions or mythical overlay. It is the simplest and purest act I know of. It does not to me feel analogous to anything else but is totally original and fundamental - like source energy. There is about it that quality of "nameless light," and I have yet to see the energy used mischievously, but then I haven't seen everything yet. In most cases the application of orgonite makes lives flow more simply and with less clutter and neurosis. "Luck" improves because people are making better decisions and not getting sidetracked by useless or frivolous things. What is and is not valuable becomes clearer, and because the mind is no longer tormented by electropollution and chaotic energies in general it functions more smoothly and with greater freedom and less anxiety.
There may very well be people out there attempting to use orgone energy adjunctive with some other practice, but I am inclined to think that once orgone energy takes hold of them they are more inclined to lose interest in power trips and trying to win the lottery by occult means. Their tastes becomes simpler, their demands of life become simpler, and their relationships become simpler and more genuine. Orgonite energy is the most "wholesome" energy I have ever encountered.
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