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Electonics anyone? Stereo amp --> mobius crystal == ??

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Electonics anyone? Stereo amp --> mobius crystal == ?? Reply with quote

Would anyone care to share an educated (or merely entertaining) opinion about what might happen if I took a mobius-wrapped crystal and connected it to the output jacks on my stereo amplifier?

I'd like to blast frequencies through the crystal. But just as the elderly mechanic rightly laughs at the young pup who put some snake oil other than gas in the *gas* tank, one might not be surprised if something bad happened from attaching other than a speaker to the "speaker output."

Maybe I should just test the impedance of my crystal. If the impedance is too low that would be a surefire problem.

Maybe I should see if there are some stereos on sale at salvation army.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here's what I would do:

Get an ohmmeter and a set of headphones. Test the resistance of the headphones. Get a resistor with the same resistance as the headphones and splice it into a patch cord that will go between your stereo and your SP. That way, you're not burning out the mobius coil with the output from your stereo.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just giving a whack at the electronic portion of the theory here, a mobius generates a chaotic signal output. Being a coil, it has the effect of having an inductive pickup in that it is naturally stimulated by ambient energy. In other words, the inductive nature of a coil is such that even if the coil is not attached to any other source, it in fact has a source - it's inductive pickup of whatever energy is in it's nearby area. Coils can be tuned by adding other components (resistive and or capacitive) so that what it is induced by is reduced to a desirable range of signals. There is also an etheric energy component involved and this coupled with the varied applications of the mobius is where my understanding of the theory of operation starts to wane.

In making a mobius, one will be left with two contacts (wires). In the case of something like a TrinityWand, the wires get tied together, causing the mobius to be short-circuited to itself; in other words, the only source of energy to the coil is ambient AND the resultant induction is fed back to itself in shorting the coil. In the case of a Succor Punch, the wires are attached to some other input source * such as the output of a 15 Hz pulser that may have it's own mobius and etheric (orgonite plug) components.

At least in electronic theory, a short circuit is generally undesirable, generally renders a circuit inoperable, and depending on the signal/voltage levels involved frequently has visible results like smoke and sparks that occur while the circuit is being rendered inoperable; but there is the etheric comonent involved that I do not have any formal training in, have lots of informal though via the various boards, but in general I don't understand anywhere close to fully and can only try to be aware of as best I can given the circumstances, to the extent of saying the etheric is likely a significant component involved with our uses of the mobius.

There is a significant component that must be added to make the chaotic signal useful and less dangerous; it needs to be coupled to something - a load, like a crystal, or bunch of closely wrapped pipes (themselves containing orgonite and or charged water), that both amplifies and refines the signal into a safe and useable form. In otherwords, without the cyrstal (or pipes), the chaotic output signal of the mobius is not a desirable one.

* With respect to the theory started by this thread, it seems you intend to replace the pulser as one of the inputs to the mobius and will instead use the output of your stereo, so rather than being restricted to 15Hz as one of your inputs, you instead can use the range afforfed by your receiver......... ? This is quite an interesting twist in itself; depending on the receiver, you could potentially use whatever AM or FM radio signals, or CDs, or tapes, or or whatever Auxilliary Input capabilities you have available, such as audio output from a TV or michrophone, that you choose; lotta varied potential here.

All this being said, please do not read too much into my post, especially any potential speculation that could be used negatively, but the mobius is one of many topics that I'm drawn to, especially in the applications possible with your proposed use, and therefore could not resist the urge to comment on. It has motivated me to go back and re-read the documents I've saved over the year on the topic.

Thanks for the topic. Good luck in your experimentations! Keep us informed of the results you monitor.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, electronics. A mobius coil at least the way we wind them has a low impedance, actually very close to a short circuit. Stereo amps want an output of 8 ohms so you can not connect a coil directly to the output of the stereo. You can however connect it in series with the speaker or in series with a large 8 ohm resistor. The resistor would have to be 8 ohms at whatever power level the stereo puts out. Do be aware that the wire itself in the series connection will carry the full power level of the amplifier.
Those nifty car amps putting out 600 watts. Well if the voltage is say 10 volts, 12 in a car then that will be 60 amps, a real lot of current. The mobius coil wrapped with #30 gauge radio shack wire will burn up literally.
In the etheric realm though I don't think you need huge currents. True you can drive coils with other devices put to put real current into something the whole circuit must be what we call impedance matched.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a SP with a 5" long and about 1.5 " diameter DT Cristal and two mobius coils each the whole 50' 24 gauge wire roll from Radio Shack. I call it the stereo SP and I only connect it to audio sources (computers, stereos 30 W, 100 W and 200 W) to play a CD I made of a 15 cycles square wave on both channels.

I also used it once as an antenna for the FM radio and, so far nothing seems to have happenned to it (I can't see the coils any more due to all the orgonite surrounding it).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radio Shack has an 8-ohm Non-Inductive Power Resistor (part no. 271-120) which will work as a proper load. However, it's only rated for 20 watts. There's probably higher rated power resistors elsewhere, but at least you can hop in the car and have that one in your hand within a few minutes. (Assuming you got a Radio Shack near you of course).

I'm not sure that pumping high rates of electrical energy (20+ watts) around a crystal is any better than a trickle of a few milliwatts. I think you probably just need enough electrical energy to get the crystal in tune (to 15 Hz or whatever) and then once it achieves resonance, it's ready for you to hook link up with it mentally.

If anything, I believe it's going to be the size of the crystal that helps, not the amount of your electrical energy flow. It's like playing a musical instrument. You don't necessarily play a better song the harder you blow.
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